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Old 21st Jun 2022, 22:36
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G'Day all,

A redundant here looking to get back into the industry so please excuse my naivety, it's been a couple of years. Does anyone have the new NJS agreement handy? It doesn't appear to be on the FWC site just yet and I'm sure that's the case seeing it has only been voted in. As I'm sure we've all seen NJS has opened up recruitment for B717 FOs and just I'm just trying to gather as much info on the future operation as I can before making decisions. ...not that I have many options down here in sunny old YMML at the moment anyway. Kind thanks in advance to any homo sapiens (PC enough?) that can offer up any useful information on the NJS situation
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 23:04
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If the rumours are true that plenty of NJS drivers are looking to the US, then they probably don't care about too much other than a stable income until they head off.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 23:38
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Originally Posted by Theflyingsosijman View Post
G'Day all,

A redundant here looking to get back into the industry so please excuse my naivety, it's been a couple of years. Does anyone have the new NJS agreement handy? It doesn't appear to be on the FWC site just yet and I'm sure that's the case seeing it has only been voted in. As I'm sure we've all seen NJS has opened up recruitment for B717 FOs and just I'm just trying to gather as much info on the future operation as I can before making decisions. ...not that I have many options down here in sunny old YMML at the moment anyway. Kind thanks in advance to any homo sapiens (PC enough?) that can offer up any useful information on the NJS situation
Just download the 2017 agreement. The pay is the same for the next 4 years with a 2% (ie: 3+% less then CPI) increase and when (if) the 220 is introduced you just reduce all hard fought conditions by 40%.
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 23:41
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Just download the 2017 agreement. The pay is the same for the next 4 years with a 2% (ie: 3+% less then CPI) increase and when (if) the 220 is introduced you just reduce all hard fought conditions by 40%.
outstanding…

yeah, wasn’t expecting anything too much more than as described above. Thank you
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 23:52
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Originally Posted by Theflyingsosijman View Post
G'Day all,

A redundant here looking to get back into the industry so please excuse my naivety, it's been a couple of years. Does anyone have the new NJS agreement handy? It doesn't appear to be on the FWC site just yet and I'm sure that's the case seeing it has only been voted in. As I'm sure we've all seen NJS has opened up recruitment for B717 FOs and just I'm just trying to gather as much info on the future operation as I can before making decisions. ...not that I have many options down here in sunny old YMML at the moment anyway. Kind thanks in advance to any homo sapiens (PC enough?) that can offer up any useful information on the NJS situation
Just go off the 717 contract. The base pay is the same, but frozen until July 2023. After which it's 2%. Then take out any lifestyle protection and that is what you will end up with. It represents about a 30 percent decrease in terms and conditions from the current contract. To quote the feds 'the proposed EA is so bad, is so concessionary to the extent that many of the concessions may never be won back, that we can only recommend you vote ‘NO’".

If you are not currently flying then it may be worth it just to get current again. Don't come here thinking this is a lifestyle gig, there are much better offers out there for those with experience, and many are leaving. Rosters are interesting, a lot of duty for little flying hours, lots of paxing and waiting around. On the bright side you get to enjoy regular NTL overnights. Probably the only thing going for NJS currently is there's no back of the clock flying but it sounds like the A220 will change that. Hope that helps.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 01:25
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Sounds like a good place to get a free A220 endorsement and then fvck off somewhere that pays for your contribution to the company.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 02:02
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All good thoughts. Got my hands on the new agreement and from what I read you will only be held to one training bond correct? Example, It’s not like they can put you in a 3 year bond for the 717, then, 12 months later you do the a220 and the clock on your 3 years starts all over again. Essentially 4 years. So, two type ratings for 3 years service 🤔
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 06:29
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Originally Posted by Gunner747400 View Post
Did anyone ever work out the cost of making the whole NJS pilot list redundant?

Seemed like a rather idle threat looking from the outside.....
Redundancy payments in the agreement vary depending on length of service but the highest entitlement is 16 weeks so if you use that to calculate the approximate cost to the company it would work out to be about $10.2 million based on the 2025/26 FY payrate which would be about when the last 717 would be phased out, however in reality not every pilot would be entitled to 16 weeks.

If the company did elect to wind down NJS it is unlikely that every pilot would hang around to the end to obtain a redundancy payment instead move on at the first available opportunity which in turn would reduce the cost burden to the company.

All in all, the amount mentioned above would probably be seen by some IR people as worth spending to be able strike fear into other pilot groups at future negotiations. A certain someone nearly spent twice that amount on a house so he probably wouldn't even blink at signing that expense off to stick it to another group of workers.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 09:53
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Regarding redundancy, A 1 yr F/o would receive a little over $2k
For a captain 9 yrs up to and not including 10 years they receive $61 k then 10 years plus 46k in redundancy.
A rough guess the total amount would be closer to $5mil or less

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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 06:37
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All this talk about not flying the 320s, from what I’ve heard the variation to SH was voted up at 66%
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 07:33
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Qantas is turning into a giant episode of the series Succession
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 08:31
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All this talk about not flying the 320s, from what I’ve heard the variation to SH was voted up at 66%
I heard 80%
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It was 80%, can’t wait until it arrives as I’ll get at least 10-20% better take home pay, regardless of what everyone thinks. The last thing I want is ping pong between SYD and MEL only getting stick hours while I can cruise for 8 hours hassle free and triple my DTA.
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 22:14
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Red face

20$ is that the next trance of aircraft come with the proviso of two years Pay freeze and 2% for the life of the 5 year EBA.

Somthing similar for long haul.

These guys are ethical low life’s after two years of stand down!
Primarily Alan.

And management who refuse to support THEIR staff.

’Alan’ loves to preach about gay rights, provide fairness to females, but when it comes to paying staff a wage that maintains increasing life and social expenses it’s all out the window for a shameful comparative approach at all expense.

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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 23:20
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A two year pay freeze at the next LH EBA is the hill I will die on while inflation is what it is. I don't care what they threaten.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 00:07
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Originally Posted by Fonz121 View Post
A two year pay freeze at the next LH EBA is the hill I will die on while inflation is what it is. I don't care what they threaten.
Even with the $5000 bribe?

Threats and bribery. Disgusting.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 00:23
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Even with the $5000 bribe?

Threats and bribery. Disgusting.
There you go, right on cue. Absolutely disgraceful. They can keep their $5000. I’ll take my inflationary pay increase.

For those out of the loop:
This gives us the confidence to offer EBA-covered employees a $5,000 recovery boost. This is a one-off payment that we hope goes some way to acknowledging the hard work and sacrifice in recent years, and the challenging restart happening now.The recovery boost will be offered to eligible employees after their new EBA is finalised. There are around 4,000 employees who have already agreed to a new EBA in the current cycle (which includes the two year wage freeze), so they will receive the $5,000 shortly.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 00:51
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Even with the $5000 bribe?

Threats and bribery. Disgusting.
it’s a demonstrably repeated pattern too by Joyce - surprising it’s all above board

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Old 24th Jun 2022, 01:32
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’Alan’ loves to preach about gay rights, provide fairness to females, but when it comes to paying staff a wage that maintains increasing life and social expenses it’s all out the window for a shameful comparative approach at all expense
Lets not forget how we can all suddenly so easily solve Aboriginal poverty just by simply acknowledging the country after every landing. I never knew it would be so simple.
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Originally Posted by Fonz121 View Post
A two year pay freeze at the next LH EBA is the hill I will die on while inflation is what it is. I don't care what they threaten.
Anyone want to do the sums on a 2 year wage freeze, over the course of a 20-30 year career.

$5000…shove it
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