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One Airbus F/o doing his initial Command on the B737-800 commented to me in the sim. that he couldn’t believe how much hard work the B737 was engine out compared to the A330. Made very rude comparisons to the product of Soviet truck factories !
QF training department has many years experience of converting Boeing drivers to Airbus , including crusty old ones. Won’t be an issue.
Agree.
One Airbus F/o doing his initial Command on the B737-800 commented to me in the sim. that he couldn’t believe how much hard work the B737 was engine out compared to the A330. Made very rude comparisons to the product of Soviet truck factories !
QF training department has many years experience of converting Boeing drivers to Airbus , including crusty old ones. Won’t be an issue.
One Airbus F/o doing his initial Command on the B737-800 commented to me in the sim. that he couldn’t believe how much hard work the B737 was engine out compared to the A330. Made very rude comparisons to the product of Soviet truck factories !
QF training department has many years experience of converting Boeing drivers to Airbus , including crusty old ones. Won’t be an issue.
I came off Airbus to do command training in 737-300 and 400 simulators. Bloody hard work, circling approach in the 300 sim with woeful graphics and drifting map.
Haha, I've always wondered if it's easy to be this stupid or , is it something you have to work at regularly?
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With shiny new Airbuses for Qantas and NJS what will become of the Alliance E190 wet lease operation?
I understand the agreement was for a 3 year period. Perhaps used as a stop gag between retiring aircraft and new arrivals/ training etc 🤷
I understand the agreement was for a 3 year period. Perhaps used as a stop gag between retiring aircraft and new arrivals/ training etc 🤷
With shiny new Airbuses for Qantas and NJS what will become of the Alliance E190 wet lease operation?
When will they get their first A220? Given that the order HAS NOT been placed yet and is not EXPECTED until late 2022, the A220 will not arrive until 2025 if ever.
With shiny new Airbuses for Qantas and NJS what will become of the Alliance E190 wet lease operation?
The industrial issues surrounding this are significant but, I don’t think that they are insurmountable. Joyce is always out to extract every saving he can at the expense of the staff but, I believe that an agreement will be reached with mainline flying the A320’s & A321’s. It’s probable that Cobham will fly the A220’s when they arrive as replacements for the very tired (in the cabins, at least) B717’s. I think Network will virtually do all the West Australian domestic flying using Jetstar A320 cast offs.
Ever since the B767 was retired early, Qantas has missed having an aircraft to fill the capacity gap between the B737-800 & the A330-200 on domestic routes so, as the first 15 B738’s (ordered immediately after Ansett’s collapse) come up for replacement, it’s not surprising that they are planned to be replaced by the larger capacity A321XLR (or even some of the A321LR’s that were ordered for the Group some time ago). When they have sufficient numbers of this capacity, the subsequent B738’s should be replaced (as they reach the end of their service life) by A320 NEO’s.
This fleet will allow distinct product differentiation from their domestic competitors (even Jetstar has better seat comfort than the others) and I expect that will feature in the QF advertising when the B738 fleet numbers drop significantly. The PW GTF engines will deliver significant fuel savings from the current fleet and Joyce will proudly claim his green credentials (environmental, as well as Irish).
The sad point is that, in about 15 years time, the only Boeing aircraft operated by Qantas will be the B787 fleet.
Ever since the B767 was retired early, Qantas has missed having an aircraft to fill the capacity gap between the B737-800 & the A330-200 on domestic routes so, as the first 15 B738’s (ordered immediately after Ansett’s collapse) come up for replacement, it’s not surprising that they are planned to be replaced by the larger capacity A321XLR (or even some of the A321LR’s that were ordered for the Group some time ago). When they have sufficient numbers of this capacity, the subsequent B738’s should be replaced (as they reach the end of their service life) by A320 NEO’s.
This fleet will allow distinct product differentiation from their domestic competitors (even Jetstar has better seat comfort than the others) and I expect that will feature in the QF advertising when the B738 fleet numbers drop significantly. The PW GTF engines will deliver significant fuel savings from the current fleet and Joyce will proudly claim his green credentials (environmental, as well as Irish).
The sad point is that, in about 15 years time, the only Boeing aircraft operated by Qantas will be the B787 fleet.
A320s for Network, Jetstar and Qantas. All within the same group, all aircraft originally sourced from the same order, yet all three crews on very different wages. Looking at Mainline and Jetstar. Two A321s leave Melbourne for Sydney. Two long serving captains. One earns $100k more.
A lot of work needs to be done in that space. Budget Airline does not mean budget wages. Mining Crews earning less than AirAsia. They will continue to exploit for as long as we let them, very important especially those at VA not to take anymore haircuts, don’t be apart of the race to the bottom.
A lot of work needs to be done in that space. Budget Airline does not mean budget wages. Mining Crews earning less than AirAsia. They will continue to exploit for as long as we let them, very important especially those at VA not to take anymore haircuts, don’t be apart of the race to the bottom.
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100k more? What’s that based on? Min guarantee? max hours? That’s a very general statement that is basically false. I think at the moment Jetstar Captains are on mid 200’s ? (Correct me if wrong) QF Shorthaul Captains are on about 230 on min hours but potentially could make high 300’s at max hours but that’s only a few hard arses. I’d say the vast majority are on mid to high 200’s in QF. The Shorthaul award is so vastly flexible compared to most other awards that there is no real set wage, you earn more if you work more.
A lot of work needs to be done in that space. Budget Airline does not mean budget wages. Mining Crews earning less than AirAsia. They will continue to exploit for as long as we let them, very important especially those at VA not to take anymore haircuts, don’t be apart of the race to the bottom.
Your argument here is what management's argument is. We have the same aircraft flown safely by two different crews on vastly different salaries so how can we justify paying so much??
And you propose to do this how? If you want to play hard ball then they will give a bunch of aircraft to a cheaper subsidiary. Even if there was a real pilot shortage they are just going to open the immigration floodgates and every African, South American and anybody else with a ATPL will fall over themselves to work here.
Your argument here is what management's argument is. We have the same aircraft flown safely by two different crews on vastly different salaries so how can we justify paying so much??
Your argument here is what management's argument is. We have the same aircraft flown safely by two different crews on vastly different salaries so how can we justify paying so much??
However your point is correct. Perhaps future generations will have better luck. This isn’t the decade to play hard ball sadly. You don’t need to go to South Africa just yet, plenty in our own backyard at the moment.
JQ Captain pay base salary $200,000. Based on 75hours.
captain base on flexiline, for 56 hours so equivalent to QF full time $149,900, close to half of QF mainline for the same hours worked.
captain base on flexiline, for 56 hours so equivalent to QF full time $149,900, close to half of QF mainline for the same hours worked.
100k more? What’s that based on? Min guarantee? max hours? That’s a very general statement that is basically false. I think at the moment Jetstar Captains are on mid 200’s ? (Correct me if wrong) QF Shorthaul Captains are on about 230 on min hours but potentially could make high 300’s at max hours but that’s only a few hard arses. I’d say the vast majority are on mid to high 200’s in QF. The Shorthaul award is so vastly flexible compared to most other awards that there is no real set wage, you earn more if you work more.
QF line captain on "min hours" is on 53hrs pm vs JQ on 75hrs at a base less than QF. The "hard arses", as you put it, can then make an additional 47hrs OT to bring them up to 100 hrs pm at an overtime rate in excess of $80 ph more than JQ, even though JQ only have the ability to squeeze in 25 hrs OT to reach 100hrs pm. These "hard arses" who work similar hours to every JQ pilot (pre covid) then make in excess of $400k. The "vast majority" are on over $300k, and if you argue they're not, then they must be on not much more than 53hrs pm, which puts them similar to a JQ flexi-line pilot (part time) on $150k. No matter which way you slice it, QF sit on $100k more, for working less weekends, holidays, early shifts, with more support, significantly higher bonuses (4 fold), 3% pa currently, 13 rosters pa (again an ability to bank OT), easier EBA sign offs, ability to move to LH award, an open-time system, heck even 50 less pax per a/c. Basically false? Your whole statement is false.