Project Winton- Airbus
I envisage it’ll be similar to the LH negotiations over the 787 and then the 350.
They’ll want the 320/21 on conditions similar to the SH award but with efficiencies to suit longer sectors.
They preferably want to avoid an industrial dispute and just have pilots sign off on an agreement. But willing to have the option of outsourcing, just like the 787 and 350, in the background if discussions aren’t to their liking.
I'm actually interested in how the A220-300 will play into negotiations.
There is a possibility here that they could have very few or no A320s just 220s and 321s. If they wanted to be nasty try they could shift half the current mainline flying to NJS by giving them 40 220s for East Coast flying while mainline has only 50 or so single isle aircraft, all A321neos.
There is a possibility here that they could have very few or no A320s just 220s and 321s. If they wanted to be nasty try they could shift half the current mainline flying to NJS by giving them 40 220s for East Coast flying while mainline has only 50 or so single isle aircraft, all A321neos.
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Shows how badly Boeing dropped the ball with the Max.and not replacing the B737 earlier.
Lot of rusted on Boeing drivers at QF.
But there has been a lot of exchange of Pilots between Jetstar and Mainline over the years and many coming back to the B737-800 will tell you that
the A320 /A321 is a superior product.
So no suprise really.
Lot of rusted on Boeing drivers at QF.
But there has been a lot of exchange of Pilots between Jetstar and Mainline over the years and many coming back to the B737-800 will tell you that
the A320 /A321 is a superior product.
So no suprise really.
Mainline Pilots:
“NJS and Network are going to get given even more of our flying 😡”
NJS Pilots:
“Mainline and Network are going to get given all our flying 😵”
Network Pilots:
“Let’s get as much of Mainline and NJSs flying as we can 😃”
Sunstate/Eastern Pilots:
“This is our chance to get a jet and take all of NJS and Networks flying 😃”
“NJS and Network are going to get given even more of our flying 😡”
NJS Pilots:
“Mainline and Network are going to get given all our flying 😵”
Network Pilots:
“Let’s get as much of Mainline and NJSs flying as we can 😃”
Sunstate/Eastern Pilots:
“This is our chance to get a jet and take all of NJS and Networks flying 😃”
I'm actually interested in how the A220-300 will play into negotiations.
There is a possibility here that they could have very few or no A320s just 220s and 321s. If they wanted to be nasty try they could shift half the current mainline flying to NJS by giving them 40 220s for East Coast flying while mainline has only 50 or so single isle aircraft, all A321neos.
There is a possibility here that they could have very few or no A320s just 220s and 321s. If they wanted to be nasty try they could shift half the current mainline flying to NJS by giving them 40 220s for East Coast flying while mainline has only 50 or so single isle aircraft, all A321neos.
There must be a lot of junior pilots with airbus experience as well as other synergies. I converted from Boeing to Airbus fairly late on in my career and it was a very positive experience, much easier than the other way around I am told. From a passenger standpoint the cabin is much better. There will obviously be a transition period. But at some point the benefits of a single fleet will outweigh any savings from operating older aircraft. There are also substantial fuel savings to be had, so the cost of aircraft ownership is only one aspect of the total cost.
Aircraft purchases usually come with a certain number of free type ratings per airframe, and no doubt simulators will be needed as well. Pilots could be seconded to Jetstar to get some time on type in advance.
Overall it seems like a good fleet mix and very adaptable with every domestic city pair available including those that normally need widebodies. Thinner international routes could also be opened up as well.
Overall it seems like a good fleet mix and very adaptable with every domestic city pair available including those that normally need widebodies. Thinner international routes could also be opened up as well.
Eh? Cockpit is miles bigger and the airframe itself is wider. Seat pitch is a bit less than Qantas but you paid 12 dollars for your ticket so....
A320 cabin is definitely wider, especially at the back. I remember one flight in the rear row of seats on a B737 which were all occupied, we couldn't all sit back at the same time as our shoulders overlapped.
The flightdeck is noticeably bigger as well, the jump seat can slide behind the F/O and there is standing room behind the Captain. No stringing up a deckchair in the doorway.
Baggage containers instead of hand loading should speeding upon the turn around times.
The flightdeck is noticeably bigger as well, the jump seat can slide behind the F/O and there is standing room behind the Captain. No stringing up a deckchair in the doorway.
Baggage containers instead of hand loading should speeding upon the turn around times.
A320 cabin is definitely wider, especially at the back. I remember one flight in the rear row of seats on a B737 which were all occupied, we couldn't all sit back at the same time as our shoulders overlapped.
The flightdeck is noticeably bigger as well, the jump seat can slide behind the F/O and there is standing room behind the Captain. No stringing up a deckchair in the doorway.
Baggage containers instead of hand loading should speeding upon the turn around times.
The flightdeck is noticeably bigger as well, the jump seat can slide behind the F/O and there is standing room behind the Captain. No stringing up a deckchair in the doorway.
Baggage containers instead of hand loading should speeding upon the turn around times.
320 is better in every way regarding cabin and flight deck. It’s a true multi crew aircraft. it will be interesting seeing how the 10+ yr 73 skippers adjust to Airbus philosophy. Or QF will try and Boeingise it and change everything to re-invent the wheel.
Seems Airbus will be very busy moving forward KLM have ordered over 100 320 and 4 350s.
Seems Airbus will be very busy moving forward KLM have ordered over 100 320 and 4 350s.
320 is better in every way regarding cabin and flight deck. It’s a true multi crew aircraft. it will be interesting seeing how the 10+ yr 73 skippers adjust to Airbus philosophy. Or QF will try and Boeingise it and change everything to re-invent the wheel.
Seems Airbus will be very busy moving forward KLM have ordered over 100 320 and 4 350s.
Seems Airbus will be very busy moving forward KLM have ordered over 100 320 and 4 350s.