Deck chair shuffle at Network aviation
Wrong actually, VARA have/do pay their pilots and managers significantly better than Notwork, it's not as if he's leaving a cushy mainline job and maybe he doesn't want to be the AOC accountable person when the first white rat creates a smoking hole
You don’t leave the QF Group when you are at that level unless the offer is too good or you are on the nose. VARA don’t pay that well! Just saying….
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I wonder what his gardening clause will look like given what’s happened recently with people jumping ship from QF to VA.
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Perhaps the dual bleed fault has caused you to suffer severely from hypoxia. Before jumping to conclusions research the corporate structure of the QF Group. It’s a known fact that QF pay their senior executives very well with large bonuses pre COVID. Regardless of which QF AOC it is, a COO level position would be on QF executive contractual arrangements. As for the working class employees, I totally agree, Network pay and conditions are some of the worst in the industry, hence why they can’t attract experienced people.
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Quite snappy there, perhaps it’s hypoxia from the dual bleed fault. Post holders for QF Group Airlines are on QF Executive contract which are far more lucrative than what VA or VARA offer. The working class employees, however, I totally agree. Network pay and conditions are some of the worst in the industry, hence why they can’t attract experienced guys and gals.
Straight from FWA:
NETWORK AVIATION PILOTS ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2016
$175k for an A320 Captain, not much in the way of additional payments for extra flying, 10 days sick leave, basically no rostering protections, very thin document.
No wonder I’ve heard most LWOP pilots are desperate to get back to their original employer once they are able to. Even heard some quit NA and are working at Bunnings until they can get back to mainline.
NETWORK AVIATION PILOTS ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2016
$175k for an A320 Captain, not much in the way of additional payments for extra flying, 10 days sick leave, basically no rostering protections, very thin document.
No wonder I’ve heard most LWOP pilots are desperate to get back to their original employer once they are able to. Even heard some quit NA and are working at Bunnings until they can get back to mainline.
Even heard some quit NA and are working at Bunnings until they can get back to mainline.
But have been hearing lots of stories about NA pilots seeking to get out to their original employer, and when looking at how the overall pilot market will go over the next few years it's going to be very difficult to attract employees on those conditions.
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Unless you have an absolute love of flying, why would you become a pilot these days when you can go and do a trade and earn bucket loads more without forking out well over $100K to POSSIBLY get a job that you desire? And without the stresses of checks, medicals, back of the clock work, reduced life expectancy etc. I wouldn't be doing it again.
Unless you have an absolute love of flying, why would you become a pilot these days when you can go and do a trade and earn bucket loads more without forking out well over $100K to POSSIBLY get a job that you desire? And without the stresses of checks, medicals, back of the clock work, reduced life expectancy etc. I wouldn't be doing it again.
To those who will even bother and put up all with that stuff you mention above, they will probably go on to have pretty solid careers with high ball remuneration in the long run, purely for the fact that there will be no pilots really left in 20 years.
If these Wild West operators are having crew experience problems now, that’s nothing compared to what’s coming in the long run. Just wait until China and largely the world reopens. If Rick cannot lure quality candidates with the amount of experienced people he has worked with in recent times, they perhaps need to start paying more? Good luck on that front though.
Quite snappy there, perhaps it’s hypoxia from the dual bleed fault. Post holders for QF Group Airlines are on QF Executive contract which are far more lucrative than what VA or VARA offer. The working class employees, however, I totally agree. Network pay and conditions are some of the worst in the industry, hence why they can’t attract experienced guys and gals.
Sorry precious, no offence intended
I think we'll have to agree to disagree as I don't honestly know what they're paying NM, nor do you, I just assumed that as they pay other senior post holders (HOFO, HOTAC ETC) rubbish money that they would pay the most senior post holder rubbish as well. That said I wouldn't mind betting he's not on the same coin as his equal in QF or even Jetstar, Eastern/Sunstate.
I think it had more to do with NA demanding that pilot sign an extension well into next year, and then that pilot deciding they'd rather come back to mainline in a few months. Or so I'm told. Also may have been an FO on closer to $100k, so the pay gap may not have been that much. But it's just a rumour.
But have been hearing lots of stories about NA pilots seeking to get out to their original employer, and when looking at how the overall pilot market will go over the next few years it's going to be very difficult to attract employees on those conditions.
But have been hearing lots of stories about NA pilots seeking to get out to their original employer, and when looking at how the overall pilot market will go over the next few years it's going to be very difficult to attract employees on those conditions.
That’s not a rumour. I know for a fact People have had a gutful and resigned to see out their LWOP.
I would have thought that with the current shortage of 787 SOs, anyone on LWOP would be welcomed back into Mainline with open arms…no need to work at Bunnings
