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Old 28th Aug 2021, 06:59
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Not how it works

The "people of NSW" do not get to decide who comes & goes from OS to NSW

That is decided by the Fed Govt who are elected by the "people of Australia"

The Govt of NSW has zero authority with OS arrivals

The people of Australia are very unimpressed with Gladys & her Govt & the rapid Covid spread throughout NSW
& they simply want Gladys to focus on practical & simple measures that will reduce covid cases, instead we get nonsense
about outdoor picnics, she wants the hairdressers re-opened & now giving advice on international arrivals

Arrogant statements that they have it all worked out , the rest of Australia are just plebs , Sydney is "Australias only global city" we are superior yada ya

People outside of NSW simply want the Govt of NSW to recover from the train wreck they have created & stop patronising the rest of Australia

I don't think Australians would be in any way comfortable with allowing OS travel to UK/North American with the current data & those
outside NSW have an equal voice(vote)



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Old 28th Aug 2021, 07:16
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
We all make our choices. The people of WA and QLD have made theirs. It will take a number of focus groups to change their Premier's minds.
Along with SA TAS and NT

What a surprise that AJ Gladys and Scomo are on the same page in NSW

Closed Borders is not the same as Lockdown, lockdown really sucks, Closed borders barely noticed.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 07:42
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Closed Borders is not the same as Lockdown, lockdown really sucks, Closed borders barely noticed.
Until you can't afford anything and businesses shut down because there's no staff.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 08:10
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
You're wrong. There's been many a time I could have travelled to the NT from NSW, stayed there for two weeks, sans quarantine and done the whole touristy thing, then travelled to WA, whereas I couldn't go to WA directly without going into mandatory quarantine. Even today, a WA resident cannot travel from NSW to WA at all, yet resident of the Top End can return home from NSW. You cannot enter WA from Queensland, unless you have somewhere to quarantine for 2 weeks, yet you can go to the Territory from Qld, so long as you have not been to one of the identified hot spot locations.I would say you're wrong.
Thereís a lot of variables.

You could say NT instituted mandatory supervised quarantine from Victoria on May 26, whereas WA enacted their controls a day later. You could say NT only did it for Melbourne Metro and Bendigo, but the vast bulk of Victorian travellers would have come from or through Melbourne to get there (are there any other flights to the NT? Avalon? Only a tiny few perhaps) so effectively no difference.

Nuances aside essentially if you come from Victoria to either for whatever reason youíre spending 14 days inside, so unless itís essential you basically aren't and therefore thereís very few people who flying between the two.

Hereís Michael Gunnerís comments about it, whilst the article doesnít contain the exact quotes I believe heís said at least twice that the NT may be looking at more vaccinations than the Doherty recommended 80% before ending use of widespread lockdowns and border restrictions.

So why isnít DRW going to be a problem with the Chief Ministerís comments? Everyoneís lept on WA for their supposed refusal to ďopen upĒ at 80% (not exactly what was said yesterday) but the NT Chief Ministerís comments indicate to me heíd be less likely to open up at 80%.

Which is why I believe thereís more politicking and behind the scenes negotiations involved in this matter than the story the tabloid press wants you to believe.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 08:18
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Until you can't afford anything and businesses shut down because there's no staff.
I wont deny that can be an issue in some sectors particularly if it normally caters for a lot more people, however if an outbreak occurs the very first thing you lose is staff. You can't work infected in a post covid world either.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 08:31
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It's very interesting, being outside Australia, reading this thread. I am not sure the continual bad news from the Australian press, is helping.

Europe, the Middle East and the United States are open for travel, and have been, for the vaccinated, for a few months now. Demand for travel is there, where quarentine restrictions are not in place. Pax loads are good, and onwards booking remain strong.

Even with travel, countries are still able to manage covid cases, deaths haven't increased dramatically, and life is getting back towards normal.

For everyones sake, I hope QF get back on the road soon. For everyone's sake, I hope States start to work collectively again, rather than as independent tyrants.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 08:34
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
He has a plan whether you like it or not, better than WA, QLD, SA plan they simply don’t have one. None of these states have done anything to improve their health system so we can move forward. Like Sco Mo has said if not 80% then when? Covid is not going anywhere.
And I suspect SHVC has hit the nail on the head - at least, here in WA, the health system is so overstretched and understaffed that ambulances are ramping at overcrowded ED's - and that's without COVID. Imagine if there was an additional burden on the already straining-at-the-gunnels health system that COVID would bring, the whole thing would collapse. I think this is the real reason for our Premier's reluctance to open up - he realizes the predicament our crappy health system is in and is trying to avoid the virus showing it up, like the emperor's new clothes, by keeping it out by flustering and blustering as much as he can, without addressing the real issue at hand.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 08:46
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
It's very interesting, being outside Australia, reading this thread. I am not sure the continual bad news from the Australian press, is helping.

Europe, the Middle East and the United States are open for travel, and have been, for the vaccinated, for a few months now. Demand for travel is there, where quarentine restrictions are not in place. Pax loads are good, and onwards booking remain strong.

Even with travel, countries are still able to manage covid cases, deaths haven't increased dramatically, and life is getting back towards normal.

For everyones sake, I hope QF get back on the road soon. For everyone's sake, I hope States start to work collectively again, rather than as independent tyrants.
We have very different challenges here in Australia than you do in Europe, Europe is like one country with a couple of billion people in it. Australia is a very big country with 25 million, we can't get help from the other states let alone another westernised country. If any one state was to lose 20% of it's specialised skills at the same time even temporarily, we would be in trouble.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
We have very different challenges here in Australia than you do in Europe, Europe is like one country with a couple of billion people in it. Australia is a very big country with 25 million, we can't get help from the other states let alone another westernised country. If any one state was to lose 20% of it's specialised skills at the same time even temporarily, we would be in trouble.
You are sounding a bit defeatist there Xeptu. With that thinking Australia will never open again.
Europe and the USA opening is the experiment that Australia should be watching and learning from. It is showing that having a vaccinated population you can start to live with the virus. This should be providing confidence with the modeling the doherty Institute has done.

But while each and every case of covid is reported on the news, regardless of if they are serious to the patients health or not, it will be hard to convince the population it safe to open. The press, and State premiers are selling the wrong news.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 09:07
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
You are sounding a bit defeatist there Xeptu. With that thinking Australia will never open again.
Europe and the USA opening is the experiment that Australia should be watching and learning from. It is showing that having a vaccinated population you can start to live with the virus. This should be providing confidence with the modeling the doherty Institute has done.

But while each and every case of covid is reported on the news, regardless of if they are serious to the patients health or not, it will be hard to convince the population it safe to open. The press, and State premiers are selling the wrong news.
I'm hearing you mate, but Australia has been managed by people slapping themselves on the back telling the world how good we are for the last 20 years. In reality it's a different story, we have 3 weeks fuel supply in the entire nation, if one small tiny wheel falls off that supply chain we are screwed, It doesn't end there either, you would be surprised at how few people we actually need to make things happen. When they are not there all of a sudden......

We are watching NSW carefully, we will be in a better position to know what to expect in the next few weeks to see if the wheels fall off. NSW is the most capacity of everything in Australia, let's see what happens.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 09:28
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I'm hearing you mate, but Australia has been managed by people slapping themselves on the back telling the world how good we are for the last 20 years. In reality it's a different story, we have 3 weeks fuel supply in the entire nation, if one small tiny wheel falls off that supply chain we are screwed, It doesn't end there either, you would be surprised at how few people we actually need to make things happen. When they are not there all of a sudden......

We are watching NSW carefully, we will be in a better position to know what to expect in the next few weeks to see if the wheels fall off. NSW is the most capacity of everything in Australia, let's see what happens.
We use to always joke how the rabbit proof fence was there to keep those from the Mexican states out. It's a shame the QLD premier didn't understand it was joke.

I am hoping the northern hemisphere winter does not change things there. But I do hope the summer change in Oz brings a brighter outlook.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 09:41
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Thereís a lot of variables.

You could say NT instituted mandatory supervised quarantine from Victoria on May 26, whereas WA enacted their controls a day later. You could say NT only did it for Melbourne Metro and Bendigo, but the vast bulk of Victorian travellers would have come from or through Melbourne to get there (are there any other flights to the NT? Avalon? Only a tiny few perhaps) so effectively no difference.
Except, the NT, quite sensibly IMHO, has a provision for those who have travelled through a hotspot, but did not come from a hotspot, declaring you have not been in one, for the purposes of their border restrictions. They even allow you to travel to a hotel, get room service and travel back to the airport and still not be considered as being in a hotspot. Source. As I said, a rather pragmatic approach compared to other jurisdictions.

You can argue who beat who to the punch by a matter of hours, it does not alter the fact your argument is incorrect. Though I live in NSW, I could travel to Tasmania (subject to quarantine) to perform my duties were I based there. They recognise that sometimes you just can't get people from your home state. But WA's approach?
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I am a fly-in-fly-out (FIFO) worker but live in <Insert locked out jurisdiction here>, am I approved to travel to WA? Can I still travel to WA as a FIFO worker?No, FIFO workers from <Insert locked out jurisdiction here> are not allowed into WA unless they are a specialist required for the performance of time critical services where the specialistís skills are not otherwise reasonably available in WA. Specialist workers require approval before travelling.

Affected WA companies will need to source their workforce from Western Australia, or a lower risk jurisdiction.
What the idiots at WAPOL don't seem to acknowledge is the entire reason there is a National FIFO contingent in WA is WA residents can't, or more likely won't perform the role. It's as simple as that. If there were enough WA residents willing to do my job, I wouldn't have one there! And for that reason, my employer has deemed my colleagues and I critical to their supply chain and given us autographed letters to that effect and are all-but begging their National FIFO crew to not go home in case they can't get back again. Doesn't matter to WAPOL though...

Nonetheless, the longer McGowan - and by extension WA as a whole, as evidenced by the likes of Xeptu - continues his Covid Zero ideology, the better the chance Qantas has of telling them to sod off and build up Darwin as the European gateway - especially if the Territory maintains sensible Covid restrictions.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 09:53
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
The longer McGowan - and by extension WA as a whole, as evidenced by the likes of Xeptu - continues his Covid Zero ideology, the better the chance Qantas has of telling them to sod off and build up Darwin as the European gateway - especially if the Territory maintains sensible Covid restrictions.
Please do, with great haste, by the time you get to use it the playing field will have changed enough you won't use it anyway'
And by the way I'm not a permanent covid zero person.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 10:01
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And by the way I'm not a permanent covid zero person.
Really? Could've fooled me...
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I can almost be certain NSW will not put up being held to ransom by other premiers dragging their heels. If they want to stay on their zero course let them do that.
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If they want to stay the zero course. We do and we are.

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Really? Could've fooled me...
We do and we are! until our population is vaccinated, our post covid procedures are in place and our health system is able and ready as stated in previous posts, that won't happen this year'
please do at least try to keep up.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 10:56
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post

Nonetheless, the longer McGowan - and by extension WA as a whole, as evidenced by the likes of Xeptu - continues his Covid Zero ideology, the better the chance Qantas has of telling them to sod off and build up Darwin as the European gateway - especially if the Territory maintains sensible Covid restrictions.
Even when the NT Chief Minister has said heíd look at not opening up at 80% due the large amount of vulnerable in the NT? At this stage both areas look to hit 70/80% a few days apart, but the NT has a much higher indigenous population (30)% so there would be quite a reluctance for Gunner to ďopen upĒ at 80% I reckon. Heís still aiming for Covid Zero until heís satisfied they are protected, so lockdown over one case and definite pause on NSW for a while after 80% I think. Queensland has a slightly higher Indigenous population than WA so theyíd be in the same boat.

But it may not be that significant. At the moment the percentage of fully vaxxed people is increasing by just less than 1% a day. Meaning itíd only be about two weeks from 70 to 80%, and then a few weeks more to 90%, which where itíll probably stall.

I honestly think at the speed at which itís happening the differences between states ďopening upĒ, or more correctly transitioning between Phases B, C and D is only going to be a matter of weeks.

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Old 28th Aug 2021, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post

Along with SA TAS and NT

What a surprise that AJ Gladys and Scomo are on the same page in NSW
It should be no real surprise that they’re on the same page as the people of NSW though. You want to keep your state border shut? Go for it and watch the rest of the world pass you by and then watch as someone challenges you and wins in the High Court.

There’s a great online article by one of the Uni legal professors that reckons that come January someone who is vaccinated is going to challenge the WA border closure and win.

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Closed Borders is not the same as Lockdown, lockdown really sucks, Closed borders barely noticed.
My mate in Tweed with businesses in Coolangatta disagree. My other friends in Albury with businesses in Wodonga disagree. My stood down 737 colleagues disagree. My friends in WA with relatives in NSW disagree.

Anyway, it’s all irrelevant. Watch NSW get on with it and travel all over the world whilst the rest of the country continues to lockdown every time they have a covid case in the community.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post

Anyway, itís all irrelevant. Watch NSW get on with it and travel all over the world whilst the rest of the country continues to lockdown every time they have a covid case in the community.
Do half the people even care though? The people wanting to go overseas to see family etc are the 1%.

I think you will find the majority of the community outside of Sydney would be happy to spend 2022 with Domestic borders open, minus NSW.

1 in 2 Kiwiís are nervous about reopening, and would prefer to stay in its isolated form for the foreseeable future.

The people will stick by the premiers for the first half of next year as the world letís it rip. If they keep NSW shut off then itís shut off. Most will take the same approach. Will be a nightmare for Morrison as he heads to the Polls. Who does he back? He needs the seats down south and out west to survive. I donít forecast much changing here in 6 months time, aside domestic borders open to each other except a still isolated NSW.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 15:01
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We canít let rip, thatís the issue. Continental Europe, the UK and the US donít have the same population distribution that we do. Many regional towns donít have a GP, let alone any viable plan or contingency for Covid. Major regional centers have small hospitals that are, for the most part, understaffed, under resourced and consequently stretched at the best of times. The aggravating factor here is that residents of these rural areas fall into higher risk categories than those in metropolitan areas.

A our population distribution is closer to Canada (a little worse actually because of the distribution of population is more centralized in Canada than Australia.) They are at 82% vaccination for over 12s. The daily death toll today was 26 with 300 people in ICU. Their medical system has higher critical care capacity than ours (12 icu beds per 100k to our 9 beds per 100k.) The population here is two thirds that of Canada. So from that we can guess at some rough numbers of how itís going to go down if Australia (or even NSW) letís rip at our low vaccination rate. Remember too that you arenít looking at todayís double dose rate for full coverage, youíre looking at the double dose rate nearly two weeks ago to see the percentage of the population who is actually at full vaccination coverage (20 odd percent).

Enjoy your picnic.
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Old 28th Aug 2021, 15:23
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One thing I will share with you that I have noticed since I retired from the airlines. When an airline decides to do something the staff fall over themselves to do it, they whinge about it of course, like short notice, long flight, too hard, they don't pay enough to be doing this, hope we don't be doing this too often, I'm sure you've heard it all. It doesn't have any impact on the operation, job still gets done with little or no delay. That doesn't happen anywhere else, employee gets rung up and they say nah I can't do it, I told ya that yesterday. So they keep ringing around until they find someone. This crisis management goes on continuously until the wheels fall off, the staff are quite happy to walk away, it's extraordinary
Anyone else outside of aviation noticed that.
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