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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 09:25
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OS travel will not happen in 2022 thatís a certainty. NSW having the highest vaccination rate in the world and currently will not reach the target of 70% fully vaccinated until end of October
If the current rate is maintained (not increased, just maintained) NSW hits 80% around 10 October.

QF seems to be positioning itself to kick off not long after 80%. Iíd expect them to start pressuring both Gladys and ScoMo for international flights ex NSW by early next year. If the rest of the country remains closed to NSW I reckon both Gladys and ScoMo will go for it.

Covid is coming. The Doherty model shows cases increasing into the thousands. NSW is just starting at the 800 mark whereas WA will start at 0.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 09:30
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Soon as NSW hits 80% our international border should be open. Why should we sit idle because QLD and WA have their own agenda! Hopefully Sco Mo grows a set when NSW hits 75% announces international travel ex Sydney is open. But with an election looking early 2022 I doubt he will want to pi$$ off the rest of the nation.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 09:38
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Keg beat me to it. I'm going out on a limb and saying that NSW will open to international travel before the rest of the country does (and before borders to WA and QLD open, unless there is a major outbreak in those states in which case the point is moot.)

It's one of the few points of leverage the Federal government has left over the states - offer the carrot of overseas travel if vaccination rates hit 80%. NSW is heading to COVID becoming endemic so there will be little additional risk in opening international borders in that state once vaccinations hit high numbers.

The only other point of leverage left is to cut support payments once vaccination rates hit the Doherty targets, and there is no way they'll pull that trigger before an election, and the states know it.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 09:47
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I can imagine QLD now at the border turning around 1000s of international travelers because they don’t know what the hell is going on in Australia. I look forward to watching that unfold.
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A snapshot of a difference of 12 months in the UK. It is worth reading the whole article as it explains what's going on.
2 big differences. As for travel? It's gone nuts. People just couldn't wait to get out and on holidays. When the rules changed that double vacc'd didn't have to iso on return, the flights filled up. The infrastructure can't cope as many staff are still on furlough (a govt scheme to keep some income coming in) or they are not used to the demand. The next test will be when the kids return to school next week.
1. Immunisation.
2. Widespread testing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58281664

Current infection and death rate in the UK.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 10:48
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A snapshot of a difference of 12 months in the UK. It is worth reading the whole article as it explains what's going on.
2 big differences. As for travel? It's gone nuts. People just couldn't wait to get out and on holidays. When the rules changed that double vacc'd didn't have to iso on return, the flights filled up. The infrastructure can't cope as many staff are still on furlough (a govt scheme to keep some income coming in) or they are not used to the demand. The next test will be when the kids return to school next week.
1. Immunisation.
2. Widespread testing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-
Current infection and death rate in the UK.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Most serious cases are from the non vaccinated. Many more people die of road traffic accidents, and cancer etc. etc.as was usual pre C19.
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Old 23rd Aug 2021, 11:03
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Soon as NSW hits 80% our international border should be open. Why should we sit idle because QLD and WA have their own agenda! Hopefully Sco Mo grows a set when NSW hits 75% announces international travel ex Sydney is open. But with an election looking early 2022 I doubt he will want to pi$$ off the rest of the nation.
Exactly when or what percentage I don't know but you'll be able to go to LA or sin before perth.

Forget the hermit states, the rest will move on and they will play catch up
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 02:43
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From a Middle East perspective, the World appears to be opening up fast now. 3 months ago I was flying half a schedule with half empty aircraft. Now, I'm flying a full schedule with full/nearly full aircraft. The grounded aircraft that we have will be flying soon as well. On top of that, our aircraft order book is full and we made no cancellations (the opposite in fact).
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 03:14
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Well that’s good to read! Something positive to look forward to. All we need is the politics here in Australia to take a back seat. I’m sure when Oz opens up and some kind of certainty that borders, lockdowns etc won’t occur preventing ppl to get home there will not be an empty seat on an outbound aircraft.
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 03:41
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
If the current rate is maintained (not increased, just maintained) NSW hits 80% around 10 October.

QF seems to be positioning itself to kick off not long after 80%. Iíd expect them to start pressuring both Gladys and ScoMo for international flights ex NSW by early next year. If the rest of the country remains closed to NSW I reckon both Gladys and ScoMo will go for it.
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How's the advertising for that going to go?

"Come to Australia, see New South Wales but not Kakadu, Uluru, The Great Barrier Reef, Queensland Theme Parks, Tasmania, The Flinders Ranger or The Great Ocean Road."

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I can imagine QLD now at the border turning around 1000s of international travelers because they donít know what the hell is going on in Australia. I look forward to watching that unfold.
Now that's a foreseeable cluster-fvck that'll happen !!

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Old 24th Aug 2021, 05:29
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What will be the Alternate for Sydney
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 06:44
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Originally Posted by TurningTheSpanners View Post
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How's the advertising for that going to go?

"Come to Australia, see New South Wales but not Kakadu, Uluru, The Great Barrier Reef, Queensland Theme Parks, Tasmania, The Flinders Ranger or The Great Ocean Road."
You forgetting a bunch of NSW residents with $$$ in their pockets and nowhere in Australia to burn it?
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 09:00
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At least there is a plan for the future, love it or hate it it will definitely get people thinking Qantas.
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 09:10
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https://youtu.be/4o9_AK1Kcyo

At least there is a plan for the future, love it or hate it it will definitely get people thinking Qantas.
Great ad. Love it,
youll get there pretty soon. Australia has done brilliant at keeping rates now and itís sad youíre having the same discussions as we did here in the U.K. last year. Questioning the vaccine efficiency, safety and government lockdown policies etc. To some extent, thatís still going on in some quarters but those are largely confined to Facebook etc now, as the vaccine has shown to be pretty darn good.
the fact is; thereís no plan b, the vaccine programme is the only way out of this and life is almost normal here in U.K. now. Cases still high but deaths remain relatively low and hospitals are perfectly able to cope. Iíve just returned from a holiday to Spain and last week went to a full stadium to watching man united. Itís bloody great to see some normality.
At work, rosters and terminals are packed again, and load factors are around 70-80% on average, with some popular holiday spots up to 100%.
Thereís a pathway of this, hang in there. I canít bloody wait to visit Australia again, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 09:35
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
What will be the Alternate for Sydney
SWZ

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You forgetting a bunch of NSW residents with $$$ in their pockets and nowhere in Australia to burn it?
Absolutely not, But I'm pretty sure the 'economics' of running an International airline wouldn't add up if you were relying solely on N.S.W residents travelling overseas and your inbound market knew that they were limited to N.S.W.

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Old 24th Aug 2021, 10:25
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QF would previously fill an A380 every day ex SYD. Sure, some of the pax came from Perth and Adelaide so perhaps initially you're talking a 787 instead of an A380 in a post Covid world.

Something is better than nothing... particularly if it starts to put pressure on the other states to pull their fingers out.
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Old 24th Aug 2021, 11:16
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As an Aussie working overseas, I have an interest in the availability of flights home....it's funny how they are nearly non-existent until Mid-November, then suddenly about the 19th. there is plenty of availability, obviously the airlines are informed well in advance by the Govt. Seems to be a secret master plan known only by a few.
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Originally Posted by zlin77 View Post
As an Aussie working overseas, I have an interest in the availability of flights home....it's funny how they are nearly non-existent until Mid-November, then suddenly about the 19th. there is plenty of availability, obviously the airlines are informed well in advance by the Govt. Seems to be a secret master plan known only by a few.


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Old 24th Aug 2021, 20:48
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
2022 is only Four months away

I think we would be lucky to re-establish a bubble with NZ by February 2022
You'll have to be very lucky for that to happen.

NZ is unlikely to forget that the current outbreak came from Australia
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