QF mandates Vaccine
No personal experience in the medical profession but plenty of family members who have and lots of discussions over the dinner table over the years. Apparently there is nothing scarier that working in an ICU that is running out of resources. Doctors then have to to make very hard decisions.
Sitting with paramedics while on call in a previous life they often talk about making choices at who gets the paramedics help when confronted with multiple patients at a accident or fire . Working on one while the other passes . Part of the job analysing who won’t make it . So to reduce chances of being in this situation wearing a seat belt and installing a smoke detector have been made into law . Getting a vaccination is not law for most it’s best way to not be the poor soul who is first in waiting line for a ventilator.
The quite simple answer is that YES you are already treated differently to any other patient if you have covid. It's a highly infectious disease that needs certain protocols to prevent spread, vs say a heart attack patient. Will you be given lessor standard of treatment if you are vaxxed or un-vaxxed, NO, that will never happen as it would be against ethics, morals and basic human rights. The doctors may not even know who is vaccinated or not at presentation, it may be a question that does alter your treatment as presence of vaccine could alter the mix of drugs they give you to assist your recovery, so there may be some differences in treatment. Could you be triaged out of treatment if hospital capacity is exceeded, this is possible, as the capacity for a hospital to handle covid specific cases could mean you have to travel further, or are simply sent home to recover if not severe enough. But I would say there would be NO preference for Vaxxed vs not in any triage event, it would be on severity vs what help could be administered.
The main fact is that the more people that are vaccinated, the less that will present to hospital with severe symptoms and the less chance of the system reaching a point that turning patients away happens.
The main fact is that the more people that are vaccinated, the less that will present to hospital with severe symptoms and the less chance of the system reaching a point that turning patients away happens.
You will be given the same treatment in Aus hospitals vaccinated or unvaccinated.
I would however expect you to give up your spot in line/give up your bed if you are severely ill with Covid and my little boy needs to be seen by a doctor if he falls off his bike and breaks his arm. You can’t expect him to wait in pain while you take up the doctor's time.
You would be considered a lowlife by many if you had the option of a vaccine and refused it and then expected to be ahead of people with normal illnesses when you get sick from Covid.
I would however expect you to give up your spot in line/give up your bed if you are severely ill with Covid and my little boy needs to be seen by a doctor if he falls off his bike and breaks his arm. You can’t expect him to wait in pain while you take up the doctor's time.
You would be considered a lowlife by many if you had the option of a vaccine and refused it and then expected to be ahead of people with normal illnesses when you get sick from Covid.
You will be given the same treatment in Aus hospitals vaccinated or unvaccinated.
You will be given the same treatment in Aus hospitals vaccinated or unvaccinated.
I would however expect you to give up your spot in line/give up your bed if you are severely ill with Covid and my little boy needs to be seen by a doctor if he falls off his bike and breaks his arm. You can’t expect him to wait in pain while you take up the doctor's time.
You would be considered a lowlife by many if you had the option of a vaccine and refused it and then expected to be ahead of people with normal illnesses when you get sick from Covid.
I would however expect you to give up your spot in line/give up your bed if you are severely ill with Covid and my little boy needs to be seen by a doctor if he falls off his bike and breaks his arm. You can’t expect him to wait in pain while you take up the doctor's time.
You would be considered a lowlife by many if you had the option of a vaccine and refused it and then expected to be ahead of people with normal illnesses when you get sick from Covid.
How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little **** that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bull****.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.
How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little **** that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bull****.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little **** that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bull****.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.
How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little **** that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bull****.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little **** that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bull****.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
Hit a nerve huh… I guess you’ll be the demanding type in the ED that all the nurses go “the tool in bed 1 needs an IV… you can deal with them”.
Plenty of people happy to take your seniority number on November 15th.
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It’s just a mask
It’s just to flatten the curve.
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
it’s only for for two week
it’s only effecting the elderly
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
school open school closed school open
different rules different countries
youtube Facebook censured
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
we don’t vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We don’t recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will
vaccinate vaccinate
booster booster
not mandatory
only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies
now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back
vaccination passport , green lights
no booster = orange light , you protest = red light
your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist
are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
It’s just to flatten the curve.
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
it’s only for for two week
it’s only effecting the elderly
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
school open school closed school open
different rules different countries
youtube Facebook censured
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
we don’t vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We don’t recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will
vaccinate vaccinate
booster booster
not mandatory
only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies
now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back
vaccination passport , green lights
no booster = orange light , you protest = red light
your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist
are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
It’s just a mask
It’s just to flatten the curve.
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
it’s only for for two week
it’s only effecting the elderly
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
school open school closed school open
different rules different countries
youtube Facebook censured
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
we don’t vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We don’t recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will
vaccinate vaccinate
booster booster
not mandatory
only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies
now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back
vaccination passport , green lights
no booster = orange light , you protest = red light
your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist
are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
It’s just to flatten the curve.
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
it’s only for for two week
it’s only effecting the elderly
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
school open school closed school open
different rules different countries
youtube Facebook censured
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
we don’t vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We don’t recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will
vaccinate vaccinate
booster booster
not mandatory
only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies
now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back
vaccination passport , green lights
no booster = orange light , you protest = red light
your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist
are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
It's an unprecedented situation and things change as knowledge does.
this is happening all around the globe- but it's the Lizard Overlords, right?
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But it's so hard to keep up without knowing the true priority order of approved news services. Is it Tik tok, Facebook and then YouTube? Or does YouTube come first?
But yes, it is a huge conspiracy. I can't believe it got out. It all started when Rockefeller tried to stop snake oil salesman and the FDA type organisation was born. It's been a slow burner ever since but now it's time for all big pharma companies to start micro chipping adults and eating the children. Well, as we know, it's all big pharma companies except Merck, as they make the wonder drug. They are keeping its efficacy secret from the masses though, as they would prefer to miss out on profits and just save the select few.
Look for a new establishment in Guyana, maybe could be called Jonestown. For the chosen few who see the real truth only, obviously.
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Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.
How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little **** that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bull****.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little **** that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bull****.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
Segregation will take place the moment you arrive with symptomes of Covid. Does it matter for your treatment if you have been vaccinated? If you have any other illnesses?
Yes, and I would expect the medical staff to ask these questions. The people in hospital now are mainly non vaccinated or vaccinated with other medical issues as well.
Segregation may very well place these categories ahead of the rest as the rest of us will get a milder version of Covid if we get infected.
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Travel in Euroland is very much based on your vaccination status. Those without vaccines can’t travel or will be placed in quarantine.
That is segragation, but it’s your own choice what group you want to be in.
The main anti vaxx group here now are East Europeans. They keep the virus going.
My company can’t legally force us to take the shot, but 99% of us are now vaccinated. Without much discussion.
Sorry to say this, but the Aussie way of discussing, complaining and whining about nearly everything, is working against you.
That is segragation, but it’s your own choice what group you want to be in.
The main anti vaxx group here now are East Europeans. They keep the virus going.
My company can’t legally force us to take the shot, but 99% of us are now vaccinated. Without much discussion.
Sorry to say this, but the Aussie way of discussing, complaining and whining about nearly everything, is working against you.
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It’s just a mask
It’s just to flatten the curve.
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
it’s only for for two week
it’s only effecting the elderly
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
school open school closed school open
different rules different countries
youtube Facebook censured
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
we don’t vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We don’t recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will
vaccinate vaccinate
booster booster
not mandatory
only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies
now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back
vaccination passport , green lights
no booster = orange light , you protest = red light
your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist
are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
It’s just to flatten the curve.
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
it’s only for for two week
it’s only effecting the elderly
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
school open school closed school open
different rules different countries
youtube Facebook censured
it is for your own good! We are the health experts!
we don’t vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We don’t recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will
vaccinate vaccinate
booster booster
not mandatory
only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies
now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back
vaccination passport , green lights
no booster = orange light , you protest = red light
your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist
are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
Grumpy Retiree and DeFlieger - Give your vast ICU credentials to this forum.
I am working alongside the medical professionals, and they do not assess vaccination status when treating cases. If a patient is has covid like symptoms they will treat said patient as having covid until PCR tests can confirm otherwise.
I am working alongside the medical professionals, and they do not assess vaccination status when treating cases. If a patient is has covid like symptoms they will treat said patient as having covid until PCR tests can confirm otherwise.
There's no contradiction between what you see of assessing or not assessing a patient's vaccination status, and the planning behind the scenes for what happens at higher case numbers or when hospitals go onto bypass.
Every Australian Citizen gets the same treatment. That didn't change because you got all ego stroked over having an injection.
Pretty sure I won't end up in the ED, the hospital, or the ICU for Covid - ever. So nah.
I'd say you've been on the Covid fear porn too long - but that's being too generous. You're the type of person who appears out of the woodwork with your bigotry the moment you see your kind congregating.
Rubbish. If the Governments seriously believed this to be the case, they would have massively increased capacity of Hospitals to cope. They've had over 18 months now, and they've done absolutely nothing. It's not going to happen and they know it.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.
I'd say you've been on the Covid fear porn too long - but that's being too generous. You're the type of person who appears out of the woodwork with your bigotry the moment you see your kind congregating.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.
Rubbish. If the Governments seriously believed this to be the case, they would have massively increased capacity of Hospitals to cope. They've had over 18 months now, and they've done absolutely nothing. It's not going to happen and they know it.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.