QF mandates Vaccine
Well you have to understand the vaccination certificate is not a legal document like a birth certificate, that's why when you apply for your passport you have to present the "original" document, not a copy. To be a legal document it must have legislation behind it. Neither your company mandate or the vaccine certificate has any such legislation, so it's a bit like presenting an unlawful document to support your unlawful question. It's pointless. The vaccine certificate is for your benefit something to flash so you can go in the pub about all it's useful for.
As I said, good luck with it.
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Thanks for pointing out my spelling error, I should have proof read it. It has now been corrected.
Yes, I admit my points are selfish but they’re borne out of exasperation. I have given up, good luck to you when exposed to the virus. I hope you also don’t go to the hospital when you’re fighting for your life because they’re full of the medical experts that you despise. By you, I don’t literally mean you, I mean the anti-vaxxers.
Yes, I admit my points are selfish but they’re borne out of exasperation. I have given up, good luck to you when exposed to the virus. I hope you also don’t go to the hospital when you’re fighting for your life because they’re full of the medical experts that you despise. By you, I don’t literally mean you, I mean the anti-vaxxers.
I never said I haven't been injected; my comments are in relation to the rabid, foaming, frenzied avidity with which some of the the submissive here enjoy attacking the holdouts.
Being an altruist you should be more concerned about the uninjected.
Those "non C-19 vaxxers" might be asking, do they have to fly next to spike-protein shedders.
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Possibly what he's saying is if you believe everything you're told by the media and your state dictator and never even consider the possibility of any ulterior motives or even sheer ignorance by your government, and if you are thoroughly unconcerned by and trusting in 'Big Pharma', and if you aren't in the least concerned that anyone who dares to even ask a question is publicly shot down lest they slow down the drive to have everyone "protected" against a disease which is slightly worse for society than the flu, and if you aren't given to the least bit of thought about being injected by something produced in a rush and which they originally told us would take years but somehow miraculously turned up a year later and which hasn't been fully-tested yet and which is surrounded by evidence of the presence of profound side effects, and if you are perfectly happy to have your body injected with this medical experiment because everyone else is doing it then, yes, you are a bit like a sheep.
Well you have to understand the vaccination certificate is not a legal document like a birth certificate, that's why when you apply for your passport you have to present the "original" document, not a copy. To be a legal document it must have legislation behind it. Neither your company mandate or the vaccine certificate has any such legislation, so it's a bit like presenting an unlawful document to support your unlawful question. It's pointless. The vaccine certificate is for your benefit something to flash so you can go in the pub about all it's useful for.
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I'm not the least bit worried as I've put a whole lot of other crap in my body which I knew was bad for me. This would have to be the most scrutinized vaccine in history.
Wrong. Death rate at 2%: Worldometers
Oh yeah, we all really admire your bravado in completely rejecting science and medical experts. Whatever helps you sleep at night pal.
Look again, and see how effective it is in keeping people out of hospital. Have a look at the 'severely ill' graph: Israel dashboard
The time bombs are the ones that won't get vaccinated and play russian roulette with the disease.
Because people like you are a health risk and will be directly responsible for filling up hospitals. Because people like you means that I don't get to enjoy further freedoms.
I respect your choice, but freedom of choice is not free from the consequences. Good luck in your alternative career.
Wrong. Death rate at 2%: Worldometers
Oh yeah, we all really admire your bravado in completely rejecting science and medical experts. Whatever helps you sleep at night pal.
Look again, and see how effective it is in keeping people out of hospital. Have a look at the 'severely ill' graph: Israel dashboard
The time bombs are the ones that won't get vaccinated and play russian roulette with the disease.
Because people like you are a health risk and will be directly responsible for filling up hospitals. Because people like you means that I don't get to enjoy further freedoms.
I respect your choice, but freedom of choice is not free from the consequences. Good luck in your alternative career.
If we go by age groups it can easily seen which one is the risky group.
According to W.H.O (https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus#tab=tab_1):
-"Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Most people who fall sick with COVID-19 will experience mild to moderate symptoms and recover without special treatment. However, some will become seriously ill and require medical attention.
Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory disease, and cancer are more likely to develop serious illness..."
Regarding ICUs being overwhelmed, well I guess it depends on how many resources they have; an ICU with 6 beds will be in trouble if they get 7/8 people needing care.....
Vaccines being effective or not is something that only time will show. For the time being there is no evidence about almost everything regarding the matter.....they are not sure if you can get the virus ( and go to face your creator), if you can still pass the virus....if the vaccine will kill you or it will help to kill you.....they simply don´t know yet.
There has been, literally, not enough time to see what the vaccines can or can´t do....I got my two shots of Pfizer last May and I hope for the best but........ making it mandatory for everyone? That will open a biblical proportions can of worms. Who´s going to take responsibility if, let´s say, things goes south?. This "no jab no job" is not like anyone taking an informed decision and using critical thinking but being coerced and, I reckon, it depends on the country but coercion and judges are not best buddies ever...
What will happen next? people wanting to know/demanding the management to take action if their work colleagues has or have had HIV, Herpes, Hepatitis.....you name it.....because, mind you, if you are going to make your work place/city/country a healthy one you can´t take action on only one thing....Will the authorities finally ban cigarettes, booze?.....or what about locking-down all those in high risk?...at the end of the day a 80+ years old human being is under risk of death almost for everything....even for a common cold ( also a coronavirus) or a broken hip...and they are retired already so no big drama.....
Yeah I know....that could never happen....
That´s exactly what I was thinking one year and a half ago.....
PS, I´m by no means an anti vaxxer, actually, if something, I´m the opposite. I happily took the decision to get the COVID vaccine and it has been my solely decision, but I really think that there are some lines not to be crossed.
Hahaarr! perhaps I just should have said, don't worry too much about it, it's a political stunt, the magic date will come and go and you probably won't hear anymore about it.
In 2022 if you are not fully vaxinated you will not be able to do the folllowing.
Travel internationally
Go into Bars, clubs, most commericial premisis, hospitality venues
Work in most big companies
Work in customer service jobs.
My own company lawyer has advised me that if one of my staff members who is not vaccinated passes covid on to a customer, my insurance is void and I am personally liable.
Weather you believe in vaccines, or want it or not. You will be required to get one. You view point is irrelevent.
Get used to this idea. Vaccines are going to be a significant part of the landscape for decades.
Travel internationally
Go into Bars, clubs, most commericial premisis, hospitality venues
Work in most big companies
Work in customer service jobs.
My own company lawyer has advised me that if one of my staff members who is not vaccinated passes covid on to a customer, my insurance is void and I am personally liable.
Weather you believe in vaccines, or want it or not. You will be required to get one. You view point is irrelevent.
Get used to this idea. Vaccines are going to be a significant part of the landscape for decades.
In 2022 if you are not fully vaxinated you will not be able to do the folllowing.
Travel internationally
Go into Bars, clubs, most commericial premisis, hospitality venues
Work in most big companies
Work in customer service jobs.
My own company lawyer has advised me that if one of my staff members who is not vaccinated passes covid on to a customer, my insurance is void and I am personally liable.
Weather you believe in vaccines, or want it or not. You will be required to get one. You view point is irrelevent.
Get used to this idea. Vaccines are going to be a significant part of the landscape for decades.
Travel internationally
Go into Bars, clubs, most commericial premisis, hospitality venues
Work in most big companies
Work in customer service jobs.
My own company lawyer has advised me that if one of my staff members who is not vaccinated passes covid on to a customer, my insurance is void and I am personally liable.
Weather you believe in vaccines, or want it or not. You will be required to get one. You view point is irrelevent.
Get used to this idea. Vaccines are going to be a significant part of the landscape for decades.
I don't have a problem with vaccines, I have issue with a vaccine mandate that is not supported by legislation. Your claim is BS and if you really did have a lawyer tell you that you need better legal advice. Let me put it another way, if any employee is fired because they are not vaccinated, I will never support their product ever again, further I will actively discourage others also and I'm sure I won't be alone.
Having certain vaccinations is a requirement to be a pilot in Qantas. Remember? When I went through selection my MMR didn't show up well enough in serology, so I had to go and get another MMR vaccine and provide proof to the company. This is not a new thing.
Here's a bit of reality for you kiddo. Not only can Qantas fire you for not being vaccinated as per their requirements, they can even fire you if you refuse to wear pants.
Those Nazis!
This thread really is great. I can't thank the conspiracy cranks enough for their contributions. Highly entertaining, please continue.
I don't have a problem with vaccines, I have issue with a vaccine mandate that is not supported by legislation. Your claim is BS and if you really did have a lawyer tell you that you need better legal advice. Let me put it another way, if any employee is fired because they are not vaccinated, I will never support their product ever again, further I will actively discourage others also and I'm sure I won't be alone.
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Same for the pax, that’s already being rolled out, in Canada. Anyone flying in an aircraft, ship, or train will have to be vaccinated to travel. Soon it will be common practice most places.
Once you have just a very few countries saying crew have to be vaccinated to enter, then every airline is going to go down the Qantas route as it just to much of a nightmare for rostering to pander to the tiny minority who refuse to vaccinate.
(Assuming that ‘spike-protein shedders’ are even a thing that anyone has to worry about outside of anitivax sites)
Thats easy. He won’t be sitting next to you if he isn’t vaccinated. He will be at home.
Same for the pax, that’s already being rolled out, in Canada. Anyone flying in an aircraft, ship, or train will have to be vaccinated to travel. Soon it will be common practice most places.
Once you have just a very few countries saying crew have to be vaccinated to enter, then every airline is going to go down the Qantas route as it just to much of a nightmare for rostering to pander to the tiny minority who refuse to vaccinate.
Same for the pax, that’s already being rolled out, in Canada. Anyone flying in an aircraft, ship, or train will have to be vaccinated to travel. Soon it will be common practice most places.
Once you have just a very few countries saying crew have to be vaccinated to enter, then every airline is going to go down the Qantas route as it just to much of a nightmare for rostering to pander to the tiny minority who refuse to vaccinate.
But If Australian Companies and Organisations go ahead and do this without any legislation giving them the right to do so, then I never want to hear a bad word about China ever again.
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If you are going into another country who has mandated that requirement, then yes of course, we must comply or don't go, even in our own country if it is mandated by legislation.
But If Australian Companies and Organisations go ahead and do this without any legislation giving them the right to do so, then I never want to hear a bad word about China ever again.
But If Australian Companies and Organisations go ahead and do this without any legislation giving them the right to do so, then I never want to hear a bad word about China ever again.
If you read Allan's message (as opposed to the media) it's not actually mandatory, it's a proposal. "We have developed a proposed COVID-19 vaccination policy" - 18th Aug. Doubt it will get tested in court as it isn't "lawful". But most of us will get it anyway non the less.
Haven’t vaccinations for new international crew been a condition of employment for years? Pre-COVID I mean.
Nunc est bibendum
Only when a foreign country that we operated into requires it. The Capital ‘O’ legal opinion I’ve read (note for the knockers, not my opinion but one from an actual lawyer experienced in workplace law) is that this makes that particular vaccine an inherent requirement of the job.
The little ‘o’ opinion proffered at the same time was whether Aussie states or the Federation can introduce such a mandate for Australian citizens within Australia. There was a feeling offered in the opinion I read that this was an untested part of Aussie law.
So, yes, long haul crew can be required to have the jab if it’s a requirement to enter another country. Domestic is still a bit of a question mark.
The little ‘o’ opinion proffered at the same time was whether Aussie states or the Federation can introduce such a mandate for Australian citizens within Australia. There was a feeling offered in the opinion I read that this was an untested part of Aussie law.
So, yes, long haul crew can be required to have the jab if it’s a requirement to enter another country. Domestic is still a bit of a question mark.
