QF mandates Vaccine
. Maybe Student can help if s/he has been to school since it all changed.
I think every layman might think he understands but really doesn't or maybe simply happily agrees with the incorrect interpretation of the masses and that's the world in which we now thanks to the previously-referred to dumbing down.
I think every layman might think he understands but really doesn't or maybe simply happily agrees with the incorrect interpretation of the masses and that's the world in which we now thanks to the previously-referred to dumbing down.
Your so called "new" study is dated 15th January 2021
before mass vaccination had even become a thing.
I'm saying that under the current privacy laws there has to be a serious legal discussion as to why the CCTV is being recorded in the first place
https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/...ed-league.html
Last edited by Icarus2001; 25th Nov 2021 at 07:22.
What difference does mass vaccination make? The study referred to the difference in exposure to vaccinated or unvaccinated persons by vaccinated vs unvaccinated. In the study either all were vaccinated or all were not vaccinated. That was the point.
Now with regard to this study one massive issue with its credibility is this statement under limitations;
Fourth, owing to the age-stratified rollout of the UK vaccination programme, the age of the unvaccinated, delta variant-infected participants was lower than that of vaccinated participants. Thus, age might be a confounding factor in our results and, as discussed, peak viral load was associated with age.
There were fewer unvaccinated females than males (p=0·04) and, as expected from the age-prioritisation of the UK vaccine roll-out, unvaccinated participants infected with the delta variant were significantly younger (p<0·001; appendix p 3).
What it does display though that even with the age disparity and other issues the vaccine is still effective at preventing spread, just not foolproof.
The difference is sample size
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In the UK they have used age standardized mortality rates (ASMR).
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...4september2021
Main Points:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...4september2021
Main Points:
- Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals.
- The weekly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving COVID-19 were consistently lower for people who had received two vaccinations compared with one or no vaccinations.
- ASMRs take into account differences in age structure and population size to allow comparisons between vaccination status groups; however some differences between the groups such as health status may remain and partly explain the differences in ASMRs.
For proof see our internet speed compared to the rest of the world .
https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/...ed-league.html
https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/...ed-league.html
Also education? We rank 8th out of 225 countries.
Now with regard to this study one massive issue with its credibility is this statement under limitations;
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Fourth, owing to the age-stratified rollout of the UK vaccination programme, the age of the unvaccinated, delta variant-infected participants was lower than that of vaccinated participants. Thus, age might be a confounding factor in our results and, as discussed, peak viral load was associated with age.
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Fourth, owing to the age-stratified rollout of the UK vaccination programme, the age of the unvaccinated, delta variant-infected participants was lower than that of vaccinated participants. Thus, age might be a confounding factor in our results and, as discussed, peak viral load was associated with age.
However, it is unlikely that the higher SAR observed in the unvaccinated contacts would have been driven by younger age rather than the absence of vaccination and, to our knowledge, there is no published evidence showing increased susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2 infection with decreasing age.
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Have the impression you should read more real science papers and watch less Netflix or mainstream media outlets…
And before you get angry with me, see what is happening now everywhere, the vaccinated are also spreading “The Virus” and getting sick as well. Ex Gibraltar 90+ vaxxed, Christmas cancelled…🤷♂️
And before you get angry with me, see what is happening now everywhere, the vaccinated are also spreading “The Virus” and getting sick as well. Ex Gibraltar 90+ vaxxed, Christmas cancelled…🤷♂️
Have the impression you should read more real science papers and watch less Netflix or mainstream media outlets…
And before you get angry with me, see what is happening now everywhere, the vaccinated are also spreading “The Virus” and getting sick as well. Ex Gibraltar 90+ vaxxed, Christmas cancelled…🤷♂️
And before you get angry with me, see what is happening now everywhere, the vaccinated are also spreading “The Virus” and getting sick as well. Ex Gibraltar 90+ vaxxed, Christmas cancelled…🤷♂️
Meanwhile, in the UK, a coutry of 95% vaccine rates, unvaccinated still make up more than half the hospitaliations and almost all the deaths.
which "real science papers" are YOU reading?
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It will NEVER happen, take that to the bank!
As for the "real science papers" Wiz, they're on Tic Tok, facebook, twitter, any social media forum really. Not academic reading for most, but you can get a laugh out of some of the material they collect.
As for the "real science papers" Wiz, they're on Tic Tok, facebook, twitter, any social media forum really. Not academic reading for most, but you can get a laugh out of some of the material they collect.
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I think there will be plenty of former employees of QF, SPC and any other Company that made up its own mandates getting in the line to litigate.
That's total population- 16 and over is over 90.
That has not been the only litigation- the anti-vaxers have lost all he other ones, and this was on a technicality.
Yep!
That has not been the only litigation- the anti-vaxers have lost all he other ones, and this was on a technicality.
Yep!
SPC the workers were unanimously in favor of the mandate, so no court action would get legs seeing the company consulted the workforce first and is acting on best available medical advice from external sources. BHP was dismissed on a technicality that they had lack of consultation and that the requirement was not included in workers contracts, the latter was the main sticking point that the commissioners said if altered would change the outcome. So like with SPC if the workforce is united in wanting the mandate the contracts can be altered and the mandate valid.
Both of those workplaces are closed shops, not really public facing, so not comparable to airlines where you are transporting the general public. With any company that is mingling with general public you are going to have different angles much more agreeable to mandates, particularly if the older or vulnerable are involved commonly.
Where anti-vaxxers would be really screwed is if the workforce agrees generally to accept vaccination as a contract/EBA condition. Then there is no recourse as that's the agreement.
Both of those workplaces are closed shops, not really public facing, so not comparable to airlines where you are transporting the general public. With any company that is mingling with general public you are going to have different angles much more agreeable to mandates, particularly if the older or vulnerable are involved commonly.
Where anti-vaxxers would be really screwed is if the workforce agrees generally to accept vaccination as a contract/EBA condition. Then there is no recourse as that's the agreement.
“I’ve talked to a few people, and a lot of them want to leave because of [the mandate].”
Regards the company consulting the workforce first, they did not. That matter is well documented. The decision first, media second, union and workers third and fourth timing is reflected in that SMH article and in AMWU statements.
As I said, the BHP matter turned essentially exclusively on the failure to consult.
Had the Respondent consulted the Employees in accordance with its consultation obligations − such that we could have been satisfied that the decision to introduce the Site Access Requirement was the outcome of a meaningful consultation process – the above considerations would have provided a strong case in favour of a conclusion that the Site Access Requirement was a reasonable direction .
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It was never put to a vote so you wouldn't know whether SPC workers were unanimously in favour of it or not. There were certainly a few workers who didn't seem to be in favour interviewed for the SMH article, SPC workers threaten to quit over vaccine mandate.
Thank you for your interest in SPC’s COVID-19 Mandatory Vaccination Response Plan collateral.
The collateral pack includes SPC’s COVID-19 Mandatory Vaccination Response Plan deck – a summary document that should be read first – and the following sample / template documents in Word format to assist you in preparing similar documents for your organisation:
The collateral pack includes SPC’s COVID-19 Mandatory Vaccination Response Plan deck – a summary document that should be read first – and the following sample / template documents in Word format to assist you in preparing similar documents for your organisation:
- Employment and contractor agreement clauses
- Union questions and answers
- Vaccination intention survey form
- Vaccination letter to union
- Vaccination mandate staff FAQs
- Workplace vaccination policy
- Interview sheet for non-registration and no vaccination
- Mandatory vaccination letter to contractors
- Poor performance and misconduct policy
- Staff announcement and additional management clause
- Staff vaccination priority registration support letter for GPs
That's SPCs rundown on preparation for mandates, note item 3. This was also used in QFs decision to mandate vaccination with the high respondent rate in favor of vaccination. That is considered consultation. Basically if you run a survey asking your intentions around being vaccinated it constitutes consultation and if high enough positive response can support a mandate, a lot of companies have gone down this path.
On the BHP matter that was just brain fade on my part, the consultation issue was the main sticking point and contractual issues secondary. Basically I used the word technicality as it was not dismissed outright with no recourse as the mandate can be reintroduced and most likely succeed if the consultation on timeline is addressed.
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Japanese don't like vaccines, find perfectly good substitute.
The Japanese obviously haven't been following the experts here on prune or they'd know how silly it is to use an anti-parasitic horse drug on humans.
And that's obviously true because a bunch of frothing pilots said so in an anonymous online forum.
The Japanese obviously haven't been following the experts here on prune or they'd know how silly it is to use an anti-parasitic horse drug on humans.
And that's obviously true because a bunch of frothing pilots said so in an anonymous online forum.
Japanese don't like vaccines, find perfectly good substitute.
The Japanese obviously haven't been following the experts here on prune or they'd know how silly it is to use an anti-parasitic horse drug on humans.
And that's obviously true because a bunch of frothing pilots said so in an anonymous online forum.
The Japanese obviously haven't been following the experts here on prune or they'd know how silly it is to use an anti-parasitic horse drug on humans.
And that's obviously true because a bunch of frothing pilots said so in an anonymous online forum.