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Old 25th Oct 2021, 04:10
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Good man! I agree 100% - This whole covid thing is just a cover for what's really happening in the background ... The Great Reset. And most people have been deceived because they watch "The News"!
And at a guess .. your getting all your information ( the stuff we don’t know about) from Facebook and YouTube?
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 05:37
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Originally Posted by SOPS
And at a guess .. your getting all your information ( the stuff we don’t know about) from Facebook and YouTube?
Dont forget the Townsville refueller!
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 08:48
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Here in the UK they are considering mandating vaccines for all hospital staff, much like elsewhere in Europe. The rate of catching covid while admitted into a uk hospital is going right up. Vaccines for school children are being pushed hard by the gov.
There is confusion for sure, with the british publics behaviour to blame for much of the continued spread. Cant help feeling sorry for the various governments around the world as they try and change attitudes and behaviours. Maybe we are just too undisciplined in the west.
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 23:25
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The way to change “attitudes and behaviours” is through education and real, practical actions.

When I see state governments mandate mask wearing in a car for a solo driver, or saying you can sit in a park and drink a coffee but if it is alcohol you must wear a mask and a myriad of other bizarre rules, then I lose all respect for the muppet who decided these rules. Australians have been treated like naughty children through the C19 response, so guess what, they will behave like naughty children.

The C19 response ceased being about health a while ago, it is now about politics.
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 23:31
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
The way to change “attitudes and behaviours” is through education and real, practical actions.

When I see state governments mandate mask wearing in a car for a solo driver, or saying you can sit in a park and drink a coffee but if it is alcohol you must wear a mask and a myriad of other bizarre rules, then I lose all respect for the muppet who decided these rules. Australians have been treated like naughty children through the C19 response, so guess what, they will behave like naughty children.

The C19 response ceased being about health a while ago, it is now about politics.
So, are you in Aviation? The sector that's had a hundred years to get it's act together?
Do all the rules make sense? Are there no inconsistencies? Or is regulation always a series of compromises, unforseen consequences, and just doing the best you can?
Now take this ever changing, unprecedented situation, and think about how many Aussies aren't dead that could be.
It hasn't been perfect, but it hasn't been bad.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 00:51
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COVID rules don't have to be consistent to still achieve a desired health outcome.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 07:27
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IHI and Covid 19 vaccination certificate upload

Has anyone heard any rumours on Qantas' requirement to for it's employees to upload unaltered covid 19 vaccination certificates (which includes ones IHI) as evidence to Qantas of vaccination status?

I have heard rumours of concern from various parties about issues around providing your employer with your IHI.

I heard Virgin wanted to do the same thing but have changed their mind when a union was moving towards challenging it in court.

Does anyone know if Qantas will also change their mind and simply accept sighting ones digital covid 19 vaccination certificate (which obviates any concern about recording IHIs) rather than uploading it (and IHI) to their records?
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 07:46
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Originally Posted by Talkwrench
Has anyone heard any rumours on Qantas' requirement to for it's employees to upload unaltered covid 19 vaccination certificates (which includes ones IHI) as evidence to Qantas of vaccination status?

I have heard rumours of concern from various parties about issues around providing your employer with your IHI.

I heard Virgin wanted to do the same thing but have changed their mind when a union was moving towards challenging it in court.

Does anyone know if Qantas will also change their mind and simply accept sighting ones digital covid 19 vaccination certificate (which obviates any concern about recording IHIs) rather than uploading it (and IHI) to their records?
https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/...sultation-faqs
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 08:28
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Thanks for that link Going Nowhere, it was very informative, Unfortunately, it didn't answer my questions
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 10:03
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Download your QR certificate from myGov (not the green one with the coat of arms.

Get the VDS -NC checker app (DFAT produced).

Scan the certificate, tells you your passport number and whether you were vaxed against COVID and when.

nothing saved on the app.

This doesn’t answer your question either but is another avenue that might catch a few with forged certificates in the future
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 10:28
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
Download your QR certificate from myGov (not the green one with the coat of arms.

Get the VDS -NC checker app (DFAT produced).

Scan the certificate, tells you your passport number and whether you were vaxed against COVID and when.

nothing saved on the app.

This doesn’t answer your question either but is another avenue that might catch a few with forged certificates in the future
Its quicker to Google someone elses than find your own.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 10:54
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
Its quicker to Google someone elses than find your own.
You’re probably right, but if the name that comes up when someone scans the QR code doesn’t match what your company knows you as, I imagine it would be a very short meeting with HR. No tea, no biscuits, probably no chair even.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 11:41
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Originally Posted by Talkwrench
Has anyone heard any rumours on Qantas' requirement to for it's employees to upload unaltered covid 19 vaccination certificates (which includes ones IHI) as evidence to Qantas of vaccination status?

I have heard rumours of concern from various parties about issues around providing your employer with your IHI.

I heard Virgin wanted to do the same thing but have changed their mind when a union was moving towards challenging it in court.

Does anyone know if Qantas will also change their mind and simply accept sighting ones digital covid 19 vaccination certificate (which obviates any concern about recording IHIs) rather than uploading it (and IHI) to their records?
The International Covid-19 Vaccination Certificate designed with ICAO doesn't have the IHI details on it, just your name, date of birth and passport as well as details of exactly which vaccines were administered when. If people are concerned about their IHI being known to their employer the ICAO International Certificate *may* be able to be used in lieu of the Medicare certificate (from a technical perspective - I don't know what your HR or management think, but from a commonsense perspective it should do the job). If you want to get the internationally recognised certificate with the QR code on it, it was a 2 minute job, if that, through MyGov, the most time consuming part was finding my passport. If you're able to log into MyGov to get the Medicare certificate that has the IHI number on it that people are concerned about, it's not much more effort at all to get the International Covid-19 Vaccination Certificate, a couple of dozen keystrokes, which doesn't have that IHI number on it.

Out of curiosity I downloaded the VDS-NC app that compressor stall mentioned - a 15 second job, tops - and it works as advertised...point phone at certificate and it says "This certificate is authentic, De_flieger, Date of Birth 1/1/1111 Passport Number 12345678 was vaccinated with this on these dates".

So I know that doesn't exactly answer your question, but there are alternative secure methods that can demonstrate your vaccine status to your employer without revealing your IHI number to them, and if you're wanting to keep that IHI private your company should be able to use them.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 13:56
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Thanks for the replies. Guess we'll wait and see what happens on November 15.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 19:25
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May I ask what the potential threat is of an employer having your IHI?

Can they use it to view your medical history?
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 21:37
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I have heard of various concerns ranging from "the company might be able to use it to access my medical history" to " their IT might get hacked and IHI numbers could end up on the dark web" to "my IHI is none of their business"

Now all of these concerns may be true or they may be false. At the end of the day, I have heard that the IHI is irrelevant to establishing ones vaccination status so why give sensitive information to an entity that has no reason for having said information. Further, I have heard rumours that there may be a lack of trust of the entity's ability to safely administer and control such sensitive information given things that may have happened in the past with administration of other systems important to employees.

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Old 26th Oct 2021, 21:46
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Said companies already have your bank account details, TFN, probably passport number, home address, telephone number, next of kin, super details, and your daily routine (because they know when you are at work). If you don't trust your employer it's already way too late. Seriously get over it, they have more than enough info to raid your accounts and steal your ID, knowing your vaccination status is the very least of your worries. Pretty sure airlines now are required to have your health details for flight crew and airside workers for damp, at least any medications you are taking must be disclosed.

Not sure what planet you live on but you surrendered most of your privacy rights just by posting on this board, let alone being linked to a social media platform or even just owning a mobile phone or connected device, you just don't know it.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 21:48
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Fair enough. Let's see what happens come November 15.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 00:39
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"I have heard"........

Think for yourself, only source information from official sources and apply common sense and judgement. When you remove all the misinformation, speculation and sensationalist headlines from your daily routine you wont live in a world of fear.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 00:56
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No fear here KZ.
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