QF mandates Vaccine
Actually, I believe the “whether right or wrong” is the entire point of this thread.
I’m vaccinated, and I encourage all to do the same.
But I reject the right of my employer to mandate it, and I suggest a well-fought human rights case may support that at some time in the future.
When was the last time any of you had a beer with someone who grew up in a country with no human rights?
I’m vaccinated, and I encourage all to do the same.
But I reject the right of my employer to mandate it, and I suggest a well-fought human rights case may support that at some time in the future.
When was the last time any of you had a beer with someone who grew up in a country with no human rights?
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Actually, I believe the “whether right or wrong” is the entire point of this thread.
I’m vaccinated, and I encourage all to do the same.
But I reject the right of my employer to mandate it, and I suggest a well-fought human rights case may support that at some time in the future.
When was the last time any of you had a beer with someone who grew up in a country with no human rights?
I’m vaccinated, and I encourage all to do the same.
But I reject the right of my employer to mandate it, and I suggest a well-fought human rights case may support that at some time in the future.
When was the last time any of you had a beer with someone who grew up in a country with no human rights?
The world is imperfect, Oz is imperfect - but on a relative scale of horrors that happen around the world we're not doing too bad, could do better but not too bad IMHO.
So simple Q: if QF policy goes from push to shove are you going to resign in disgust to support those who desire not to be vaccinated?
I have no doubt you'll come up with a "maybe" response when a simple YES/NO to a simple question will suffice.
Cheers.
Toxic waste is a fertilizer.
OK got me there, was looking at what 99.99% of your posts on this thread bang away at 99.99% of the time.
You want to encourage a thread drift - pretty poor one at that - fill your boots.
My comments regards 99.99% of your posts banging away 99.99% of the time regards vaccination - and your impending irrelevancy - still stand.
Cheers.
You want to encourage a thread drift - pretty poor one at that - fill your boots.
My comments regards 99.99% of your posts banging away 99.99% of the time regards vaccination - and your impending irrelevancy - still stand.
Cheers.
Actually, I believe the “whether right or wrong” is the entire point of this thread.
I’m vaccinated, and I encourage all to do the same.
But I reject the right of my employer to mandate it, and I suggest a well-fought human rights case may support that at some time in the future.
I’m vaccinated, and I encourage all to do the same.
But I reject the right of my employer to mandate it, and I suggest a well-fought human rights case may support that at some time in the future.
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It’s definitely an interesting question to consider, what you’re saying. Currently the courts up to the Supreme Court in NSW have ruled that under the present circumstances, some - not all, but some - employers can make vaccination a condition of employment. QF and healthcare being some examples of those employers. They also make the point that, from the legal perspective, no-one is being forced to vaccinate, they aren’t being grabbed and held down and jabbed; any individual is free to tender their resignation and walk away unvaccinated. Whether they choose to do that is a choice they make. I think the courts see it as similar to having a driving licence; you don’t have to have one, unless you voluntarily want to carry out some activity, driving in this case, and it’s not an infringement on a right as there are other ways to get around - walk, Uber, taxi, bicycle and so on.
Impressive effort. Congrats.
You want the short version: I think the implications of company vaccine requirements are interesting to consider the pros and cons of, but the courts have upheld them in these circumstances.
Or as someone said a few posts back, regarding the non-vax mob:
Questions of legality of company directives may be taken to court but I'm guessing will not fall the way of the non-vax brigade.
You've had a good run, dominated the conversation, I suspect you'll be left to yelling at clouds and largely ignored in the very near future.
You've had a good run, dominated the conversation, I suspect you'll be left to yelling at clouds and largely ignored in the very near future.
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They also make the point that, from the legal perspective, no-one is being forced to vaccinate, they aren’t being grabbed and held down and jabbed; any individual is free to tender their resignation and walk away unvaccinated. Whether they choose to do that is a choice they make.
No, you don’t need a vaccination, you are free! But good luck getting a job, or being allowed to go to a supermarket to buy food, or being allowed to have your children attend a school. Australians are free citizens!
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Really? Where? Can you show me an Australian health service making this admission? Or is this another one of those "I heard it from someone who posted it on twitter" type "facts" that get posted here, in the hope that by spreading them around a variety of forums, people see them in numerous locations and feel like they might be true? That's one technique used to spread disinformation.
In Vic and Qld and in several jurisidictions in the USA and UK they admitted much earlier in the year that they were doing the same but as already pointed out you won't read about it in most of the mainstream media where most people seem to get their "information."
Of course there's an incentive. There are billion$ of incentives. Wake up, man.
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Location: EUSSR Your location speaks volumes about who you are. I always thought that pilots are the most spineless, uncritical, and self-disrespecting conformists in society. It was fine as long as you and your kind could only destroy the culture and conditions in your own decaying profession, but now you are moving along to promote a fascist vaccine apartheid for the entire society based on the bullshit the media makes you believe.
NSW Health made the admission back in August but it was not widely reported, possibly because of the age-old fact that good news doesn't sell as many newspapers. According to NSW Health not as many people have died of coronavirus as was previously reported to the population. It's hard to believe they were ignorant of the facts so it would seem they lied intentionally.
The nature of a virus is that it does not want to kill you, you are food for it, the host is integral to it's survival. It just kills because it overwhelms the hosts system to keep it alive and to survive in the host it has to be strong to avoid being instantly kicked by the immune system. Because it relies on evolution as to whether it survives in you, it can be pot luck what it does to the host to survive.
The question to be asked is, "would that person have died from that illness, then and there, had they not had covid" if the answer is yes, then covid not a factor, if no then covid was a factor. In almost all cases the nature of covid makes it a contributory factor in at least 80% of deaths with covid (overseas studies). The UK separates with and from into separate categories so it's clear and what they found was not much significant change from what was being recorded.
If the numbers were so out of whack then they would be revised, but they have not, showing there's a high chance that covid was a significant reason they died on that day.
OHS or whatever they call it in other countries is what determines what safety gear you have to work with, from hearing protection if its noisy to hard hats on worksites, to hi-vis if collision dangers to sunglasses and sunscreen in outdoor occupations. Most of it is common sense, and you wont be entering most construction sites without minimum OHS gear. Not sure why this is so hard to understand, watch the block all the tradies have to do OHS induction. Just about every country has this.
By the way if you are stupid enough to ignore the rules and get injured on worksite you can expect some pushback for work-cover claims etc... So its nice to say how cool you are to ignore a hivis or hearing protection rule, just remember when you go to claim for that loss they will remember.
Again this site is really just highlighting how stupid people can be, just to be righteous or principled.
Masks and Vaccinations are under the health Act, not workplace OHS.
By the way if you are stupid enough to ignore the rules and get injured on worksite you can expect some pushback for work-cover claims etc... So its nice to say how cool you are to ignore a hivis or hearing protection rule, just remember when you go to claim for that loss they will remember.
Again this site is really just highlighting how stupid people can be, just to be righteous or principled.
Masks and Vaccinations are under the health Act, not workplace OHS.
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Location: EUSSR Your location speaks volumes about who you are. I always thought that pilots are the most spineless, uncritical, and self-disrespecting conformists in society. It was fine as long as you and your kind could only destroy the culture and conditions in your own decaying profession, but now you are moving along to promote a fascist vaccine apartheid for the entire society based on the bullshit the media makes you believe.
Come to think of it my whole career infringed my personal rights.
Wish I had been exposed to the powerfully intellectually persuasive arguments of anti-vaxxers earlier !!
Would have been so liberating!!
No career but at least I would have been free !!!
Oh, wait a minute…….
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.......Hence the healthier you are the less likely you are to die from viral infections.
The question to be asked is, "would that person have died from that illness, then and there, had they not had covid" if the answer is yes, then covid not a factor, if no then covid was a factor. In almost all cases the nature of covid makes it a contributory factor in at least 80% of deaths with covid (overseas studies).
If the numbers were so out of whack then they would be revised, but they have not, showing there's a high chance that covid was a significant reason they died on that day.
The question to be asked is, "would that person have died from that illness, then and there, had they not had covid" if the answer is yes, then covid not a factor, if no then covid was a factor. In almost all cases the nature of covid makes it a contributory factor in at least 80% of deaths with covid (overseas studies).
If the numbers were so out of whack then they would be revised, but they have not, showing there's a high chance that covid was a significant reason they died on that day.
The ABS publishes this information but it is concerning that the health depts simply say people are dying. If they ever do refer to age it seems they refer to the occasional young person who dies but without mention of the underlying health issues which really caused the death possibly with the aggravation of covid. This is manipulation of the information at the direction of elected leaders and unelected health officials.
I had a quick look at the somewhat vile and shadenfreudenistic sorryantivax website which some on here are really enjoying laughing about and I see many of the dead appear to have been overweight, maybe even technically obese. The USA has (or had) nearly 40% of the population obese. Maybe this has something to do with the high rate of deaths there. Junk food for thought.
Illness will almost always kill the vulnerable first, not sure what you expect different. Being civilised means we take care of the old and vulnerable and try to ensure they have quality of life until a natural end. Saying 'oh well' let them die is far more barbaric than laughing at a few that have made a selfish choice not to protect those in their community and ironically ended up dying themselves.
Actually, my impression of Australia since returning has been it's become a place of angry old men making basless claims and refusing to admit they're wrong....
