QF mandates Vaccine

[43Inches]

Looks like there's less than 20% left in the control group of this experiment now, and they are dying at the rate of 1-2%, compared to the vaccinated who are dying at hmm, lets see, 0.01% or less.

And just for the un-edumacated out there the control group is the un-vaccinated populace, also referred to as the soon to be unemployed. It has been a nice experiment, but I'm happy to have chosen to be in the active participant group rather than those who didn't choose their fate. They might still make little colonies for you guys to go sit in like the lepers.

Enjoy the Centrelink queue…

It will probably become a requirement for Centrelink payments as well....

[Derfred]

Originally Posted by union

only 50000 people with side effects in Australia according to TGA. Pfizer should last for around 5-6 months than time for the booster.
Delta is 99,9% harmless. Enjoy the experiment guys…

So, by your purported statistics, 50,000 out of 17M (80% of over 16’s) have had side effects (not deaths, or even hospitalisations, just side effects). That’s 0.29% of those with at least a first shot.

Australia has had 1346 deaths from 113,000 cases. That’s 1.1% dead. Not side effects, dead.

Unless you are a hermit, everyone in this country is going to be exposed to COVID.

Enjoy your mathematically immune nirvana while it lasts, guy (I didn’t make “guy” plural because there can’t be many of you remaining).

My grandparents fought and died for Australia. You won’t even take a pin prick in your arm to help my immunodeficient mother see her grandson turn 21. Thanks mate.

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by union

Yeah, those conspiracy theories are crazy. Someone even told me that not long ago many people were put on a train to a camp in Europe and never returned. Lucky we have the Americans that we can trust now and after the massive success of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, I am convinced that they have nailed the Pfizer vaccine to perfection.

only 50000 people with side effects in Australia according to TGA. Pfizer should last for around 5-6 months than time for the booster.
Delta is 99,9% harmless. Enjoy the experiment guys…

Are you a pilot or just a brain dead troll? Delta is 99.9 percent harmless? Get a grip. People talking like this really need help, IMHO.

[Derfred]

I’m just hoping you re-consider. Your mates want you to.

[skygeek]

Originally Posted by SOPS

Are you a pilot or just a brain dead troll? Delta is 99.9 percent harmless? Get a grip. People talking like this really need help, IMHO.

I take it you disagree profoundly with the 99.9% figure? What figure do you think is more accurate? And what evidence do you have to support that?

So far judging by both the official stats (even though they seem to include even those hit by a bus as Covid deaths) and my personal anecdotal evidence I'd have to lean towards the fact that the survival rate if not equal to 99.9% must be very close to that. I know personally five people (including one of my siblings) who have had Covid and successfully recovered. None of them had any serious issues apart from a few days feeling like crap, obviously none required hospital treatment. Later, unfortunately, one of those was coerced to take the injection regardless of the fact they have recovered simply as a requirement for the continuation of the employment. 3 months later after getting the AZ that person has been diagnosed with myocarditis. Obviously they won't be getting a second shot and seem to regret having the first one. I have also not heard of anybody from my circle who has died from Covid.

Based on the above personal anecdotal evidence I'd take my chances with whatever is there at the moment, thanks. My priorities are pretty clear here, I have to make sure I am there for my family first and foremost, everything else is secondary, if that means losing my primary job, needing to seek alternative employment or being labeled a "selfish granny killer" - so be it. If your evidence suggests that novel therapeutic injections every 6 months would give you better chances against this flu and/or whatever "variant" the TV nominates as the fad of the day - good luck to you and others who are/were willing to roll the dice. I genuinely wish all of you to be well in one/two/three/X years.

[Derfred]

The statistics of your family have completely changed my viewpoint. Thank you. I’ll disregard the other Billion-odd statistics and stock up on horse de-wormer. Thanks sky.

[morno]

Originally Posted by skygeek

Later, unfortunately, one of those was coerced to take the injection regardless of the fact they have recovered simply as a requirement for the continuation of the employment. 3 months later after getting the AZ that person has been diagnosed with myocarditis. Obviously they won't be getting a second shot and seem to regret having the first one. I have also not heard of anybody from my circle who has died from Covid.

Did you ever consider that maybe they developed myocarditis as a result of having Covid, and not the vaccine? What proof do you have that the vaccine caused it? What proof do you have that Covid did not cause it?

[skygeek]

Originally Posted by Derfred

I’ll disregard the other Billion-odd statistics and stock up on horse de-wormer.

As of the time of this post, deaths worldwide were 4,826,757 out of 236,408,387 cases as per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
I am glad you have made up your mind but which "billion-odd" statistics are you talking about here? What does the mentioned "horse de-wormer" have to do with anything?

[skygeek]

Originally Posted by morno

Did you ever consider that maybe they developed myocarditis as a result of having Covid, and not the vaccine? What proof do you have that the vaccine caused it? What proof do you have that Covid did not cause it?

Yes I have and indeed there is no way of knowing, but again the control group consisting of 4 other people who did not get it is a very strong counter-argument for me.

[morno]

Originally Posted by skygeek

Yes I have and indeed there is no way of knowing, but again the control group consisting of 4 other people who did not get it is a very strong counter-argument for me.

I knew 5 people who got the flu once, 4 got over it and 1 died, so it must have been the flu vaccine that caused it.

Under what scientific basis are you suggesting that because one person developed a condition that could well have been a result of suffering from the infection, that the vaccine has to be responsible?

[skygeek]

Originally Posted by morno

I knew 5 people who got the flu once, 4 got over it and 1 died, so it must have been the flu vaccine that caused it.

Under what scientific basis are you suggesting that because one person developed a condition that could well have been a result of suffering from the infection, that the vaccine has to be responsible?

Under the basis of myocarditis being one of the officially recognised side-effects? Your flu analogy is incorrect. 5 people ate at a restaurant and got sick, 4 recovered fine, 1 took a miracle pill with a known side-effect and is now suffering from the said side-effect. This is a more correct analogy.

[43Inches]

Myocarditis is primarily associated with viral infections, the chance of getting it from mRNA vaccines is miniscule even if you are a male under 30.

This is from medical science prior to covid.

BTW you are aware that 5million of 236 million is a little over 2%, so world wide it's under 98% survival rate. I mean what harm is being out by a factor of 100 when measuring millions....

PS there are 880 confirmed cases of Myocarditis following vaccination out of 200+ million mRNA vaccinations in the US. That's a rate of less than 0.01%. Viral infection will provoke it at rates between 1-10%.

[skygeek]

Originally Posted by 43Inches

Myocarditis is primarily associated with viral infections, the chance of getting it from mRNA vaccines is minuscule even if you are a male under 30.

This is from medical science prior to covid.

First of all AZ is not mRNA. Secondly, would you mind sharing a link to historical long-term studies of mRNA vaccines in human application?

As a side note, not sure if people remember:

• not so long ago a mere mention that certain Covid vaccines could cause myocarditis was treated as a conspiracy theory by "fact-checkers" and would get you banned from multiple platforms
• until last month a mere mention that certain Covid vaccines could cause blood clotting was treated as a conspiracy theory by "fact-checkers" and would get you banned from multiple platforms

Many, me including, have no interest in finding out on their own body what else will surface next year or years later.

[43Inches]

Astra Zeneca does not cause Myocarditis, that is only a side effect of mRNA. AZ has clotting side effects.

You are getting horribly mixed up here, from poor stat calculation to associating the wrong side effects to the wrong drug.

[das Uber Soldat]

Originally Posted by skygeek

I take it you disagree profoundly with the 99.9% figure? What figure do you think is more accurate? And what evidence do you have to support that?

Gee, I dunno, how about yours?

Originally Posted by skygeek

As of the time of this post, deaths worldwide were 4,826,757 out of 236,408,387 (Also known as > 2%)

Your estimate is out by a factor of 20.

How do these people manage to reproduce? I don't understand.

[chookcooker]

Originally Posted by skygeek

Yes I have and indeed there is no way of knowing, but again the control group consisting of 4 other people who did not get it is a very strong counter-argument for me.

ha ha ha. Hilarious.
This guys clearly winding you guys up.
Nobody is THIS stupid.

[43Inches]

ha ha ha. Hilarious.
This guys clearly winding you guys up.
Nobody is THIS stupid.

I always assume they are just stupid first, after all the Herman Cain list continues to grow. Had a friend just yesterday worried that covid vaccine would make her non fertile, she had just read way too much facebook crap. The same people will take worming tablets that are known to hurt the pregnancy process over a vaccine that has little to no impact on fertility or pregnancy at all.

[ampclamp]

Some news re mandatory vaccinations in another Australian work place

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/20...date/100516438

[3 Holer]

[QUOTE]Nobody is THIS stupid./QUOTE]

"Stupid is as stupid does.", or one could just accept, "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get!"

[sherburn2LA]

FFS keep your borders shut and don't let this lot loose in the rest of the world in charge of large aeroplanes