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Old 30th Sep 2021, 01:44
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Ha ha, this so called affidavit was first released on the website Deepstate.com, seems reliable and if she is a real person is in opposition to EVERY major regulatory authority and military guidance on vaccines. It is possible that she is just an anti-vax Ed just like that senior paediatric nurse who led the campaign in the States to ban the vaccine due to it’s magnetic properties which she demonstrated by trying to get a spoon to stick to her arm…… in front of the state senate. It did not end well. Medical training does not prevent you from falling down the misinformation rabbit hole and being exploited by these anti vax groups to push their message.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:04
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Then what do you say of the substance of the reasoning in the affidavit?
After reading it I'm very skeptical of it's authenticity. It is quite obvious she believes natural contact immunity better over vaccine supported immunity even though studies have proven this view point wrong in regard to covid. There is also a segment where she talks about one soldier getting myocarditis, a brain tumor and thyroid dysfunction a few weeks after the vaccine, which takes a lot out of her argument. She also talks of myocarditis resulting in 50% death rate after 5 years, which I hope she means severe cases. As a mild case you would not even be aware or have any evidence of suffering. I also find the bit about 50% volume of the pFizer vaccine is a known toxin interesting.

I mean 3+ billion people have been given vaccinations a good chunk of them are mRNA based I don't see millions of dead from them, which would be the result by now if vaccines were that bad.

PS Also have to remember that covid vaccination has just become mandatory for active serving US forces members, so this sort of thing is expected.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:10
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
I laugh at the irony of the unqualified making categorical statements about the opinions of the qualified.

Don't get me wrong: It may well be that Teresa C. Long, MD, MPH, FS does not exist, or is 'misguided' or an 'outlier' or batshit crazy in fact. I just laugh that you presumably expect us to accept your assertions to that effect. The affidavit - fake or otherwise - acknowledges that correlation does not amount to causation. But it also explains - with some force in my view - who bears the burden of disproving causation, and why.

And the history of medical science is not typified by the unerring unanimity of opinion or the constant correctness of the opinions of the majority.

I have to reiterate that I doubt there are many pilots making contributions to these kinds of threads who've had anything to do with CASA Avmed.
You know, there's a certain irony in this post when you yourself made no effort to verify the veracity of the so called affidavit.

It was published as an unsigned, unwitnessed PDF, uploaded to scribd and embedded in a network of known fake news networks such as yournews and infowars.
It's full of medical jargon that looks legitimate to the untrained eye.
It regurgitates common anti-vax talking points, in particular making multiple claims about COVID and its possible therapies and treatments that are not supported by evidence from clinical trials.
It promotes FUD about the COVID vaccine under the guise of protecting the US troops.
It makes unverifiable claims about medical events happening at a military base and connects them to the COVID vaccine. More sinisterly, the author of the affadavit acknowledges "correlation not equalling causation" in an attempt to pre-empt the most obvious retort and generate the appearance of knowledgable level-headedness, but then goes on to dismiss it with no justification.

Anyone with scientific training will see right through it, anyone without might be convinced it's reasonable. In other words, it's a classic psyop, and if you didn't realise that, it's not safe for you to assume anything you read on the internet is anything other than fiction.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:14
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Sorry - do you doubt that it's an affidavit deposed by a real person, or do you doubt that the real deponent knows of what she speaks? And when you say "this sort of thing is expected", what is the "thing" to which you are referring?
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:16
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Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
You know, there's a certain irony in this post when you yourself made no effort to verify the veracity of the so called affidavit.

It was published as an unsigned, unwitnessed PDF, uploaded to scribd and embedded in a network of known fake news networks such as yournews and infowars.
It's full of medical jargon that looks legitimate to the untrained eye.
It regurgitates common anti-vax talking points, in particular making multiple claims about COVID and its possible therapies and treatments that are not supported by evidence from clinical trials.
It promotes FUD about the COVID vaccine under the guise of protecting the US troops.
It makes unverifiable claims about medical events happening at a military base and connects them to the COVID vaccine. More sinisterly, the author of the affadavit acknowledges "correlation not equalling causation" in an attempt to pre-empt the most obvious retort and generate the appearance of knowledgable level-headedness, but then goes on to dismiss it with no justification.

Anyone with scientific training will see right through it, anyone without might be convinced it's reasonable. In other words, it's a classic psyop, and if you didn't realise that, it's not safe for you to assume anything you read on the internet is anything other than fiction.
And there's a certain irony in you not answering my simple question: "Are you saying that you are sure that Teresa C. Long, MD, MPH, FS does not exist at all, or if she does exist, that she did not depose the affidavit that has been posted?"

You are, after all, just posting stuff on the internet, just like me.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:17
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From the CDC

Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of September 22, 2021, VAERS has received 1,541 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 892 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
892 confirmed CASES of Myocarditis/Pericarditis out of 224,000,000 Pfizer doses administered in the US, and that is not death rate that is overall cases identified.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:21
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Sorry - do you doubt that it's an affidavit deposed by a real person, or do you doubt that the real deponent knows of what she speaks? And when you say "this sort of thing is expected", what is the "thing" to which you are referring?
I just can't find any reference to the actual affidavit, there is so called copies of it distributed by numerous not so trustworthy websites, but I can not find an official document to verify it's not just manufactured.

The sort of thing to be expected is the arguments against the government mandating something is normal, some truthful, some not so much.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:21
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So does the CDC quote suggest the CDC is considering there may be a causal connection between the vaccinations and Myocarditis/Pericarditis?
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:24
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
And there's a certain irony in you not answering my simple question: "Are you saying that you are sure that Teresa C. Long, MD, MPH, FS does not exist at all, or if she does exist, that she did not depose the affidavit that has been posted?"

You are, after all, just posting stuff on the internet, just like me.
Teresa C Long is the health commissioner of Columbus, Ohio - a real person though not the alleged author of the affidavit.

Theresa Marie Long is the so-called author of the affadavit, although as you well know, I could claim to be her typing this post right now and you would have no way to prove me wrong. An affidavit is worthless unless it has been witnessed in person by someone independent who can verify your identity.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:26
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And that's the issue. The difference between available and actually being able to get it in your arm. The vaccines are only just starting to arrive in the regions now
Went to the clinic a few weeks ago for a flu jab and the nurse responsible for jabs, covid as well, was saying a lot of covid jabs are going to waste because folk are making appointments and not turning up, the vials then have to be thrown out. She commented it being an issue you don't hear about and wondered if it was an antivaxxer campaign..
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:28
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Indeed, chuboy. But that doesn't stop you giving a simple and clear answer to my question.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:30
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So does the CDC quote suggest the CDC is considering there may be a causal connection between the vaccinations and Myocarditis/Pericarditis?
No causation is implied, it is the rate of reporting the condition following vaccination. It would be up to further studies to draw a direct link, however 884 cases over 220 million doses is not very compelling statistics. I think you have more chance of getting myocarditis from a lightning strike, inclusive of the chance of being hit.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:33
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
So does the CDC quote suggest the CDC is considering there may be a causal connection between the vaccinations and Myocarditis/Pericarditis?
I think it's quite unambiguous that they are investigating the possibility. The way you check is by comparing the incidence in vaccinated individuals to the unvaccinated - difficult in the US when people do not just have random MRIs of the heart for the sheer pleasure of frittering away 10000s of dollars.

It has to be noted that COVID infection also predisposes you to myocarditis and pericarditis, and at much higher rates. Unfortunately we no longer live in a world where there is no such thing as COVID and so whether we like it or not, we now have to accept a slightly greater level of risk in our lives than we did before.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:34
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Say what, 43 and chuboy? Are you really saying that when the CDC says: "CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.", the CDC is not considering whether there may be a causal connection between the vaccinations and Myocarditis/Pericarditis? C'mon.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:37
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Indeed, chuboy. But that doesn't stop you giving a simple and clear answer to my question.
If it's not obvious from my posts so far, I don't believe the affadavit was written by the person named Theresa Marie Long "MD MPH". The real Theresa Marie Long (actually Bureau-Long) in Fort Rucker does not claim to have an MPH on any public profile either.

Who did write it and why is a more interesting question.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:43
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Say what, 43 and chuboy? Are you really saying that when the CDC says: "CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.", the CDC is not considering whether there may be a causal connection between the vaccinations and Myocarditis/Pericarditis? C'mon.
Of course they are, as I said earlier myocarditis/pericarditis is KNOWN to be associated with mRNA vaccines, but at extremely low rates. Over the whole age range it's negligible occurrence, if you are male between 16 and 30 the rate is highest with 32 cases per million observed, however that's not saying all observed are caused by the vaccine, but it would be certain some are. The actual rate of myocarditis would be difficult to know, like trying to accurately assess how many people actually get flu each year. All that really matters is the symptomatic cases, and death rate. Which the death rate for myocarditis post vaccination seems extremely low, pretty much on one hand type numbers (worldwide). So you get warned when you take an mRNA vaccine that heart issues could occur, are extremely rare, but if you do get it, go to hospital and they fix it with no long term issues.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:46
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So this Teresa C. Long MD, MPH is non-existent and this is a fake website, or it's just someone who exists but whose details have been copied to produce a fake affidavit: https://cph.osu.edu/people/tlong

Nothing would surprise me.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:52
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So this Teresa C. Long MD, MPH is non-existent and this is a fake website, or it's just someone who exists but whose details have been copied to produce a fake affidavit: https://cph.osu.edu/people/tlong

Nothing would surprise me.
There was a time when only "nerds" would access the internet let alone create websites. You and I lived through those golden years where the internet was broadly a very reliable place to find information, as there was no audience for disinformation and propaganda.

Unfortunately, those days are over, and it is surprisingly difficult to teach people how to differentiate good from bad information.
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 02:57
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Of course they are, as I said earlier myocarditis/pericarditis is KNOWN to be associated with mRNA vaccines, but at extremely low rates. Over the whole age range it's negligible occurrence, if you are male between 16 and 30 the rate is highest with 32 cases per million observed, however that's not saying all observed are caused by the vaccine, but it would be certain some are. The actual rate of myocarditis would be difficult to know, like trying to accurately assess how many people actually get flu each year. All that really matters is the symptomatic cases, and death rate. Which the death rate for myocarditis post vaccination seems extremely low, pretty much on one hand type numbers (worldwide). So you get warned when you take an mRNA vaccine that heart issues could occur, are extremely rare, but if you do get it, go to hospital and they fix it with no long term issues.
Ahhh.

So an affidavit faked by some outlier, misguided or batshit crazy anti-vaxxer suggested that there may be some causal connection that should be investigated, and that is what the CDC is doing.

I don't suggest a causal connection between the CDC's decision and the content of what may well be faked affidavit. I do assert - outright - that just because an affidavit is faked by some outlier, misguided or batshit crazy anti-vaxxer, it does not inexorably follow that the content has no merit.

(And out of an abundance of caution, I reiterate that I'm AZ vaxed, on the basis of the analyses of data by those with expertise to do those analyses.)
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 03:04
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Never said that there's not some casual causation occurring but the point is more that the article is alluding that it's more than casual and is widespread and that pilots should be grounded. Which there is absolutely no evidence worldwide of pilots becoming incapacitated due to vaccination. Many countries do not even have the 48 hour grounding requirement the FAA imposed and you can get jabbed and go flying immediately after. What the affidavit effectively says is something that has no real chance of happening which is mild in most of those cases and can be fixed with simple medical intervention should ground all pilots. Yet everyday thousands of pilots fly with undiagnosed heart conditions from genetics and are not required to get any further testing until symptomatic, which could mean 5 minutes before you die. BTW I'm not saying it's necessary for the testing, just more likely.
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