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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 09:56
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Originally Posted by union View Post
Itís just a mask
Itís just to flatten the curve.

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

itís only for for two week

itís only effecting the elderly

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

school open school closed school open

different rules different countries

youtube Facebook censured

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

we donít vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We donít recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will

vaccinate vaccinate

booster booster

not mandatory

only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies

now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back

vaccination passport , green lights

no booster = orange light , you protest = red light

your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist



are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
........love it:-) But the indoctrinated & fearful will find a way to explain all the lies & bullshit away, it's their reason to be alive:-)
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
Grumpy Retiree and DeFlieger - Give your vast ICU credentials to this forum.
I am working alongside the medical professionals, and they do not assess vaccination status when treating cases. If a patient is has covid like symptoms they will treat said patient as having covid until PCR tests can confirm otherwise.
Gladly. Zero. No medical training beyond my basic company first aid stuff. But I listen to my relatives and friends who do have medical degrees, and who are doctors who do work in the hospitals. What you've said there though is correct, and goes some way to illustrating the problem - people come in and need to be isolated and tested, adding to the workload. And when some of them get those tests and a positive case is confirmed, it takes out a bunch of medical professionals while they self-isolate or are treated, reducing available staffing levels at a time of increased workload and disrupting the surgical and other programs as the people who should be running them, are in isolation. That has a human cost, in terms of worse outcomes and people suffering for longer until their surgery can be replanned. So when they tell me that hospitals are cancelling all but very urgent surgery to deal with covid cases, or the number of ICU beds is worryingly low, I listen to them. They won't watch a couple of YouTube videos about jets and tell me how I'm flying wrongly, and I don't watch YouTube videos about viruses and make the mistake of thinking that outranks their medical degrees.

There's no contradiction between what you see of assessing or not assessing a patient's vaccination status, and the planning behind the scenes for what happens at higher case numbers or when hospitals go onto bypass.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
So, you got your rights, just not the responsibilities atached, right?
Every Australian Citizen gets the same treatment. That didn't change because you got all ego stroked over having an injection.

Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Hit a nerve huhÖ I guess youíll be the demanding type in the ED that all the nurses go ďthe tool in bed 1 needs an IVÖ you can deal with themĒ.

Plenty of people happy to take your seniority number on November 15th.
Pretty sure I won't end up in the ED, the hospital, or the ICU for Covid - ever. So nah.
I'd say you've been on the Covid fear porn too long - but that's being too generous. You're the type of person who appears out of the woodwork with your bigotry the moment you see your kind congregating.

Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem View Post
Segregation will take place the moment you arrive with symptomes of Covid.
Rubbish. If the Governments seriously believed this to be the case, they would have massively increased capacity of Hospitals to cope. They've had over 18 months now, and they've done absolutely nothing. It's not going to happen and they know it.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.

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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 10:39
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Every Australian Citizen gets the same treatment. That didn't change because you got all ego stroked over having an injection.
You should tell Gladys Berejiklian that then. A quote from her a couple of days ago: "We all have choices and if it's your choice not to be vaccinated, well that might mean you cannot participate in things that (the) fully vaccinated do."

Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Pretty sure I won't end up in the ED, the hospital, or the ICU for Covid - ever. So nah.
There's a lot of dead people who said almost those exact same words too. Some younger, some older. Some who were convinced that they were fit and healthy and had nothing to worry about, some who have left behind young children. You can see some of their quotes and memes over at the Herman Cain Awards page. New winners every day! Maybe you're right, maybe you're fully vaccinated or lucky or both. Hell, 5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette. Spin that wheel....

Rubbish. If the Governments seriously believed this to be the case, they would have massively increased capacity of Hospitals to cope. They've had over 18 months now, and they've done absolutely nothing. It's not going to happen and they know it.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.
It's not that they've done absolutely nothing, and there have absolutely been missteps and mistakes along the way, but it takes quite a few years to train a doctor to even a basic level of competence, and a few more to specialise. Nurses are another bottleneck, a few years training there too, and you need the trainers and supervisors to do the training. ICU beds are useless without the specialised staff to run them, all of which take a lot more than 18 months to train.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 10:49
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Bring on opening up at 80% vaccination.
Lot of this loopy stuff will go away when the unvaccinated are left to fend for themselves.
Self limiting…….
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 11:00
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.

How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little shit that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bullshit.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.

You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
Haha, this is great.

Imagine being so stupid as to parade around declaring that 'seat belts are a Government conspiracy to take our liberty!'. Then, when you predictively have a minor accident resulting in major injuries, demanding to be given the same priority as other, non idiot people who need care for injuries/ailments. Ailments there were not absolutely preventable. "Segregationist bigotry!" you'd cry! "How dare I not be allowed to clog the health system with my idiocy."

People in the US are dying because of a lack of ICU capacity, due in significant part from moron anti vaxxers who are now in ICU.

If you reject the vaccine because facebook told you its bad, then end up needing ICU because of your idiotic decision, there will come a time when you're rolled onto the street and left to die, because care should be reserved for those who care for themselves. Absolutely no different to being on the organ donor list. Smoke? Drink? Bad luck, you're bumped off the list for someone who doesn't. You going to cry 'segregationist bigotry' there too? Those evil doctors aren't letting liver transplant applicants drink a bottle of red a day!? Who are they to take my freedoms!

www.sorryantivaxxer.com is filled, and I mean filled with examples of your thinking. All of them are dead, most leave behind young children. Hundreds of thousands of them.

Enjoy Nov 15 kiddo.






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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 11:11
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Look on the bright side das.
You are going to move a few numbers on the seniority list when we open up and let the virus take its normal course.
Its quite extraordinary that so many cant imagine what its like to be on a ventilator..
Hopefully the riots in Melbourne will be a super-spreader event.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 11:17
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
Ok. Someone who, through their own personal choices be they based on fear, misinformation or whatever, has elected to endanger their own health, and the health of those around them, while costing the taxpaying public money unnecessarily through higher healthcare costs and reduced taxation revenue due to lockdowns, and damaging or destroying private businesses, should be treated differently. If you choose to take meth and commit crimes, we treat you differently. The concept of police and crimes and jail is surely not a new one to people. If you abuse alcohol for whatever reason, and try to drive, we treat you differently. If you choose to undermine public health measures in the middle of a once-in-a-century pandemic, guess what...we treat you differently.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 12:30
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Unvaccinated accept they wonít be able to travel , go into a restaurant or attend sports events but they draw the line at not being allowed to attend a hospital ?
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 13:23
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Pretty sure I won't end up in the ED, the hospital, or the ICU for Covid - ever. So nah.
I'd say you've been on the Covid fear porn too long - but that's being too generous.
No one here cares about you.

No one cares if you end up in hospital from Covid or not.

No one cares if your vaccinated or not.

People will care if you do end up in the ED from Covid and are not vaccinated. You will be the butt of all the jokes in the nurses lunch room. They will apologise to the real patients and say weíve been dealing with this unvaccinated muppet all day.

Man up and simply stay away from the hospitals if you get sick.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 00:00
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Originally Posted by Torukmacto View Post
Unvaccinated accept they wonít be able to travel , go into a restaurant or attend sports events but they draw the line at not being allowed to attend a hospital ?
Because deep down, they know they could actually die if they contract itÖÖÖ.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 10:51
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The fear exhibited here in these posts is amazing, does make for entertaining reading though -)
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 11:56
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Mach, I don't understand, you don't have to get a vaccine so what is the problem. You do you and be comfortable with your decision, respect those who want to get vaccinated. Either side is not going to convince the other that they are right or wrong, if you are not happy with mandates etc then you are just out of luck, the majority is speaking and your choice is something you have to reconcile. I am more than happy for people who don't want the vaccines to be removed from the aviation industry, who needs them? I remember one of my core law courses, it was titled 'Rights and Responsibilities, it would seem you want the rights but are not willing to provide any of the responsibilities expected as part of a functioning society, that is your choice now off into the sunset you go.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 12:15
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
Mach, I don't understand, you don't have to get a vaccine so what is the problem. You do you and be comfortable with your decision, respect those who want to get vaccinated. Either side is not going to convince the other that they are right or wrong, if you are not happy with mandates etc then you are just out of luck, the majority is speaking and your choice is something you have to reconcile. I am more than happy for people who don't want the vaccines to be removed from the aviation industry, who needs them? I remember one of my core law courses, it was titled 'Rights and Responsibilities, it would seem you want the rights but are not willing to provide any of the responsibilities expected as part of a functioning society, that is your choice now off into the sunset you go.
You are confusing responsibilities with obeying to questionable medical diktat without any real long-term supporting safety data. That's not responsibility, that's irresponsibility. I do truly prey it works out for you and for others who are in the same camp, but don't call it being responsible and call it for what it is - "gambling with your life to please the bosses so that the paycheck doesn't stop".
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 12:40
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Originally Posted by skygeek View Post
You are confusing responsibilities with obeying to questionable medical diktat without any real long-term supporting safety data. That's not responsibility, that's irresponsibility. I do truly prey it works out for you and for others who are in the same camp, but don't call it being responsible and call it for what it is - "gambling with your life to please the bosses so that the paycheck doesn't stop".
where you are wrong is that I had the vaccine long before the Qantas mandate, why…… because all the research and trials show the vaccines to be safe and effective. You may feel differently about that as no doubt you have ‘done your own research’ but at the end of the day rights are freedoms we have that are protected by our laws, while responsibilities are duties or things that we should do, In order to be good citizens. The majority know that our exit from this pandemic relies on a reasonable level of vaccine uptake and we understand that this is collective effort of those that are good citizens.

As I have stated time and time again, it is your choice to not partake in this collective effort but don’t get worked up at some of your freedoms being taken away, if you don’t contribute to the solution you shouldn’t get the full benefits of freedoms the rest of us gain back. I know that it is highly unlikely that I will die from COVID even if I get it but I also know me being vaccinated helps ensure those who can’t be vaccinated will have the best possible chance of not getting Covid whilst also helping to ensure our health system retains capacity to deal with other issues. The latest reports in the British Medicinal Journal show that of the 50,000 ish deaths in the first half of this year only 0.5% were people who were FULLY vaccinated, to me this is very positive as the majority of deaths will come from the unvaccinated which solves two problems at once, removes antivaxxers from society and lifts the overall vaccine rate :-). Good luck.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
this is very positive as the majority of deaths will come from the unvaccinated which solves two problems at once, removes antivaxxers from society and lifts the overall vaccine rate …
and raises the nation’s average IQ!
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 22:44
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Hey machtuk, unaware of where/who you currently work forÖbut if youíre in QF/JQ/VA/REX where do you plan on working once youíve been terminated?
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 22:58
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Originally Posted by skygeek View Post
You are confusing responsibilities with obeying to questionable medical diktat without any real long-term supporting safety data. That's not responsibility, that's irresponsibility. I do truly prey it works out for you and for others who are in the same camp, but don't call it being responsible and call it for what it is - "gambling with your life to please the bosses so that the paycheck doesn't stop".
Where does the gamble of getting and dying from Covid fit in to your thinking? It's approaching 700 000 deaths in the US, 92% if those now dying being unvaccinated.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 23:33
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Sotrovimab has been approved for use in people older than 12.

Trial had zero deaths and zero ICU patients - Trial was on high risk persons.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 23:38
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
Sotrovimab has been approved for use in people older than 12.

Trial had zero deaths and zero ICU patients - Trial was on high risk persons.
It's cdertainly turning out to be a very effective treatment- but you only need treatment if you get sick in the first place!
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