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Old 29th Aug 2021, 11:20
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People should be concerned about heart disease, and it is pretty easy to reduce your chance of heart issues. Get regular checks, make sure you take family history seriously, exercise and eat properly. It's just as preventable as most other diseases. A lot of Cancers can be lifestyle related as well so can be avoided with proper precautions. None of that needs to take the 'fun' out of life, just a bit of work and education.

As said before all those things affect the individual, you can't spread heart disease or cancer simply by walking around. Covid required quarantine and lockdowns because it spreads and kills without much input from the carrier.

We are getting to the pointy end now where we need to come out of the lockdown mindset though and move on, a few more months and we'll see.
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Old 29th Aug 2021, 11:57
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^^^ absolutely, lockdowns were the right thing to do initially while we assessed this new threat. With the advent of vaccines and better treatments though, lockdowns are no longer appropriate. Australia and New Zealand’s big mistake has been the slow vaccine rollout which ironically is down to our success at elimination last year, we were complacent, the likes of the Azusa, Europe and the UK were forced into a quick vaccine rollout and ironically have now overtaken us in the race to the new normal. We need to jab and get moving forward again.
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Old 29th Aug 2021, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
The data is from https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...st-killer.html

The point of the article is that an obsession with daily case numbers and deaths is unhealthy and causing major mental illness issues amongst the population when COVID is something that we are going to have to live with. Get jabbed and get on with life, the chances that you will die from this disease is significantly less than other leading causes. It is of note as well that the lockdowns and isolation are leading to a resurgence in other respiratory conditions such as RSV which has lead to many more children in hospital than covid has.
Okey doke, thanks for that link.

That's an absolutely terrible way to present that data - you use pie graphs to illustrate relative parts of a whole data set (eg all deaths), not bits of partial data sets. According to the article, the data is meant to be weekly averages for the month of July. Despite referencing the GOV.UK website, they've got the July numbers wrong - there were 1,688 COVID-19 deaths in the UK for July for a weekly average of 381, not 242 as they've shown.

I don't know if you noticed but they've got another graphic, their "dashboard", that shows 3,876 COVID-19 deaths for July - more than twice the actual number.

And just by the bye, there is something drastically wrong with that deaths by various causes data that they've presented in their "dashboard" - they show 16,238 deaths from heart disease for July; that represents one third of the total deaths from heart disease for 2020!

I agree with the premise that we need to be focussed on the right data, but Hell's bells, if you are trying to advance that argument, how about getting the data right and presenting it appropriately?

All in all, a good reason not to rely on The Daily Mail for accurate data.

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Old 30th Aug 2021, 00:52
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As expected, VA is also moving to make vaccinations compulsory for all staff with customer facing staff required to be vaccinated by November whilst all othr staff have until March 2022.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 04:42
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
As expected, VA is also moving to make vaccinations compulsory for all staff with customer facing staff required to be vaccinated by November whilst all othr staff have until March 2022.
Well, well. Who would have thunk it.
Hospitality NSW has supported vaccinated only policy at pubs and restaurants.
Why ? Because it the only way out.
Get the vaccination.
Or you are on your own.
And will be eating Uber Maccas for rest of your life.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 05:26
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Quite amusing listening to Hrdlicka’s mental gymnastics over her anxiety over domestic vaccine passports and “ What are we waiting for ?” regarding International travel. Let me simplify it for her. That horse has bolted. You wont get into WA in the near future unless you are vaccinated and can prove it. It will become the norm. Every human rights case some zealot takes to court will be balanced by a hundred businesses arguing their obligation to provide a safe workplace for employees and customers.
Internationally already a nobrainer.
Not that difficult really……….
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 06:07
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As expected indeed, also no surprise that none of the unions are rallying the troops for industrial action, or any action at all. Monday will pass without a whimper, no resignations no nothing but bluff and BS. As expected indeed.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 07:10
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Retired,mid 70’s, fully vaccinated and still have most of my marbles, so like many of the posters, somewhat gobsmacked by the logic disconnects by some, allegedly, smart people. Seems to me that in the long run the choice is to either take via injection a toxic substance that will kill about one in a million or wait for a random encounter with a toxic substance that will, if we are generous, kill one in 10,000, and sometimes have long term consequences. Quibble, if you must with the figures, but no matter how you look at it the dangers to self and others close are greater by some orders of magnitude for the unvaccinated. Don’t let ideological detestation of management and/or government get in the way of a logical approach to all the stuff going on around the world.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 14:10
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Originally Posted by logansi
If you're not willing to trust the medical science behind vaccination why are you trusting the aerodynamic, engineering, and technological science behind the aircraft your stepping into?
It's a silly comparison but if you discovered you were being lied to by the aircraft manufacturers, regulators, instructors, etc about how safe your aircraft is to fly, would that change your mind about it?

I'm not accusing anyone of lying but it now looks like McAnulty is effectively admitting NSW Health reporting has been misleading us all about deaths with versus from Covid, but we've known that for a while. This means people who worry about dying from Covid think the situation is worse than it really is when in fact not all the deaths can be attributed to Covid. The media support it. These frightened people then make their decisions accordingly. Health decisions based on faulty data... not good.

Here's the 20-Aug-21 release of VAERS data uploaded to the MedAlerts page of the National Vaccine Information Centre. You can read about about each case of the 18 post-vaccination deaths (12-17 only) in the latest report. It looks like these vaccines might not be the best things to inject into a kid.

There are over 13,600 deaths reported in total going back to December in the NVIC.

If you hunt around you'll also see in this release the 12-17yo group has in the same period also experienced thousands of reports of anaphylaxis, myocarditis and blood-clotting cases. Then there's the rest of the population >17yo.

Maybe VAERS and NVIC people are lying to us and implying vaccines are worse than we think but in the absence of an admission to that effect it might all be worth a re-think. Alternatively, you can just believe everything you read in the Sydney Morning Herald and be happy with your choice.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 21:06
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Mutley, you do realise those registers only show cases uploaded by Dr’s in cases where patients have died who have been jabbed recently. It DOESN’T mean that they died because of the vaccine. Read the bloody Dr’s notes, a few say likely cause of death is blood clotting due to contraceptive pill, one says although vaccine given 3 days before death that there are so many pre-existing conditions the vaccine is unlikely to have contributed. You are a muppet.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 21:39
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There was also 2 suicides.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 22:54
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Originally Posted by 324906
Retired,mid 70’s, fully vaccinated and still have most of my marbles, so like many of the posters, somewhat gobsmacked by the logic disconnects by some, allegedly, smart people. Seems to me that in the long run the choice is to either take via injection a toxic substance that will kill about one in a million or wait for a random encounter with a toxic substance that will, if we are generous, kill one in 10,000, and sometimes have long term consequences. Quibble, if you must with the figures, but no matter how you look at it the dangers to self and others close are greater by some orders of magnitude for the unvaccinated. Don’t let ideological detestation of management and/or government get in the way of a logical approach to all the stuff going on around the world.
Your marbles certainly make a lot of sense, hence what are you rambling about .

The first leader of the 7 little countries to bring in common sense and let it rip once a % level is met will in my opinion set a precedent for the supposed leader of the 7 little countries.

As for your company mandating vaccine, unless you want to live a sheltered life without it you won’t be able to do much, your freedoms will be very limited. Let alone fly a plane across a domestic border, international no chance.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 23:23
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Fricken vaccine made one of them take a shotgun to the head. Bill Gates has a lot to answer for (sarc)
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 00:16
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Fricken vaccine made one of them take a shotgun to the head. Bill Gates has a lot to answer for (sarc)
I disagree. Everyone knows that the Earth isn’t perfectly flat, but slightly dished. That caused killer 5G rays to focus on that poor individual’s magnetic essence and you know the rest.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 00:23
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Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
It's a silly comparison but if you discovered you were being lied to by the aircraft manufacturers, regulators, instructors, etc about how safe your aircraft is to fly, would that change your mind about it?

I'm not accusing anyone of lying but it now looks like McAnulty is effectively admitting NSW Health reporting has been misleading us all about deaths with versus from Covid, but we've known that for a while. This means people who worry about dying from Covid think the situation is worse than it really is when in fact not all the deaths can be attributed to Covid. The media support it. These frightened people then make their decisions accordingly. Health decisions based on faulty data... not good.

Here's the 20-Aug-21 release of VAERS data uploaded to the MedAlerts page of the National Vaccine Information Centre. You can read about about each case of the 18 post-vaccination deaths (12-17 only) in the latest report. It looks like these vaccines might not be the best things to inject into a kid.

There are over 13,600 deaths reported in total going back to December in the NVIC.

If you hunt around you'll also see in this release the 12-17yo group has in the same period also experienced thousands of reports of anaphylaxis, myocarditis and blood-clotting cases. Then there's the rest of the population >17yo.

Maybe VAERS and NVIC people are lying to us and implying vaccines are worse than we think but in the absence of an admission to that effect it might all be worth a re-think. Alternatively, you can just believe everything you read in the Sydney Morning Herald and be happy with your choice.

Or you could schedule an appointment with your GP and sit and have a talk about the pros and cons of getting the jab and the risks involved from a medical professional.

And yes I have had the AZ x 2.

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Old 31st Aug 2021, 02:11
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
I disagree. Everyone knows that the Earth isn’t perfectly flat, but slightly dished. That caused killer 5G rays to focus on that poor individual’s magnetic essence and you know the rest.
You forgot “vital bodily fluids”
Dr Strangelove is an essential reference.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 03:32
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You forgot “vital bodily fluids”
Dr Strangelove is an essential reference.
The quintessential reference!
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 05:38
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Except that those making the Mandate are not pilots either and vaccines have nothing to do with what pilots do.

Since we're going to allow Companies to just make up laws why stop at vaccinations. You won't mind then if your company mandate all those over age 40 that are overweight and or have diabetes are in a high risk group to both yourself and those you work with, we therefore mandate those in that high risk group to resolve that condition by November 15. This is made after careful consideration of the undisputed science.
On that basis you'll be more than happy with that.
The overweight status or diabetes risk ground hasn't shut down the world economy. And if their medical condition is such that they cannot perform their role as a pilot isn't that what the annual medical examination is there to rule out?

I note that you had no response to science. Your argument is more about 'freedoms' Is that a bit like deciding a parachute is too restrictive when you go skydiving? I mean, there's nothing to stop you from going .... Once.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 05:43
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Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
It's a silly comparison but if you discovered you were being lied to by the aircraft manufacturers, regulators, instructors, etc about how safe your aircraft is to fly, would that change your mind about it?

I'm not accusing anyone of lying but it now looks like McAnulty is effectively admitting NSW Health reporting has been misleading us all about deaths with versus from Covid, but we've known that for a while. This means people who worry about dying from Covid think the situation is worse than it really is when in fact not all the deaths can be attributed to Covid. The media support it. These frightened people then make their decisions accordingly. Health decisions based on faulty data... not good.

Here's the 20-Aug-21 release of VAERS data uploaded to the MedAlerts page of the National Vaccine Information Centre. You can read about about each case of the 18 post-vaccination deaths (12-17 only) in the latest report. It looks like these vaccines might not be the best things to inject into a kid.

There are over 13,600 deaths reported in total going back to December in the NVIC.

If you hunt around you'll also see in this release the 12-17yo group has in the same period also experienced thousands of reports of anaphylaxis, myocarditis and blood-clotting cases. Then there's the rest of the population >17yo.

Maybe VAERS and NVIC people are lying to us and implying vaccines are worse than we think but in the absence of an admission to that effect it might all be worth a re-think. Alternatively, you can just believe everything you read in the Sydney Morning Herald and be happy with your choice.
VAERS can be accessed by anyone - you don't have to be qualified to enter data. So, if you get vaccinated but died of a totally unrelated burst Aorta or something equally bad, a coroner would list the cause of death as Aortic Anurism. The uneducated would say the vacccine was the cause. And that is what they put on VAERS - they lack the knowledge to know better.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 06:28
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Originally Posted by Mk 1
VAERS can be accessed by anyone - you don't have to be qualified to enter data. So, if you get vaccinated but died of a totally unrelated burst Aorta or something equally bad, a coroner would list the cause of death as Aortic Anurism. The uneducated would say the vacccine was the cause. And that is what they put on VAERS - they lack the knowledge to know better.
Or do they lack the intent to do better.
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