QF mandates Vaccine
If you went to hospital you wouldn't be prescribed a treatment without consent. The argument is do you really have a choice in this case, how much did you invest, how long have you been doing it, can you do anything else, will you still be doing it at all this time next year regardless of choices. Do you really have a choice and how far are you willing to let a company go with this. Imagine for a moment you are made redundant next year and this turns out to be the biggest mistake in human history, where does that leave you when you didn't really choose it and how far will the company mandate go next time.
What’s your point ? Get vaccinated and keep your job which one day may resemble what it was pre covid or don’t . That’s still a choice . Might not feel like one but sometimes life does not give a single , what’s a good word ? About your feelings . No one is special .
I think you're all assuming (supremely confident) this is going to have a happy ending, let's hope it does, if the company is gone you're redundant.
It will be interesting to see if there is a high correlation between those pilots who refuse to vaccinate and who are otherwise difficult for the company to manage. It might end up being a golden opportunity for the company to rid itself of the ‘frequent flyers’.
The opportunity to be rid of, says it all really doesn't it
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So what guarantees and insurance coverage has Qantas put in place for staff that get vaccinated should adverse reactions/loss of licence or worse case death occurs after vaccination ?
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You believe that ?
After all the aviation industry has gone through over the last 2 years ?
Vaccination is the way out. Simple.
Glad I’m retired but desperately worried about my former colleagues.
Just get the frigging vaccine for pities sake.
QF will have NO trouble filling seats with this policy.
The policy is a winner.
If you want freedom to choose, then each airline should be forced to publicize their vaccinated employee percentages daily via TV & Radio adds at their own expense. Let the PUBLIC have the information so that THE PUBLIC ALSO have the freedom to choose. However It'll be a cold day in hell that I buy a ticket from an airline who's employees are refusing to vaccinate. There you have it, magic of the market place.
Please substantiate that assertion otherwise refrain from making generalisations which are questionable.
Here you go... https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074
So yes you are better off being vaccinated but in terms of stopping the spread it helps with Alpha not so much so with Delta.
Adults who have been fully vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 can carry the same viral load of the delta variant as those who are unvaccinated, a preliminary analysis of UK data suggests.1
The latest results from the UK’s national covid-19 infection survey show that having two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against delta. But, although people who are fully vaccinated have a lower risk of becoming infected, those infected with the delta variant can carry similar virus levels as unvaccinated people, the data show. The authors said the implications for transmission were not yet clear but suggested that the potential for fully vaccinated individuals to transmit the virus to others would make achieving herd immunity more of a challenge
The latest results from the UK’s national covid-19 infection survey show that having two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against delta. But, although people who are fully vaccinated have a lower risk of becoming infected, those infected with the delta variant can carry similar virus levels as unvaccinated people, the data show. The authors said the implications for transmission were not yet clear but suggested that the potential for fully vaccinated individuals to transmit the virus to others would make achieving herd immunity more of a challenge
That's because you're hard wired to comply. This is not about a vaccine which on the face of it is a sensible, reasonable thing to do and we hope it turns out to be harmless in all cases.
If you went to hospital you wouldn't be prescribed a treatment without consent. The argument is do you really have a choice in this case, how much did you invest, how long have you been doing it, can you do anything else, will you still be doing it at all this time next year regardless of choices. Do you really have a choice and how far are you willing to let a company go with this. Imagine for a moment you are made redundant next year and this turns out to be the biggest mistake in human history, where does that leave you when you didn't really choose it and how far will the company mandate go next time.
If you went to hospital you wouldn't be prescribed a treatment without consent. The argument is do you really have a choice in this case, how much did you invest, how long have you been doing it, can you do anything else, will you still be doing it at all this time next year regardless of choices. Do you really have a choice and how far are you willing to let a company go with this. Imagine for a moment you are made redundant next year and this turns out to be the biggest mistake in human history, where does that leave you when you didn't really choose it and how far will the company mandate go next time.
Except that those making the Mandate are not pilots either and vaccines have nothing to do with what pilots do.
Since we're going to allow Companies to just make up laws why stop at vaccinations. You won't mind then if your company mandate all those over age 40 that are overweight and or have diabetes are in a high risk group to both yourself and those you work with, we therefore mandate those in that high risk group to resolve that condition by November 15. This is made after careful consideration of the undisputed science.
On that basis you'll be more than happy with that.
Since we're going to allow Companies to just make up laws why stop at vaccinations. You won't mind then if your company mandate all those over age 40 that are overweight and or have diabetes are in a high risk group to both yourself and those you work with, we therefore mandate those in that high risk group to resolve that condition by November 15. This is made after careful consideration of the undisputed science.
On that basis you'll be more than happy with that.
News flash: If your health is such that you may not perform satisfactorily, you lose your medical.
Keep the stupidity coming. It’s mildly entertaining.
I’m furious. My employer is insisting I wear pants while flying. “Help help, I’m being oppressed!”
Not many people catch obesity, even from their colleagues in the confines of the cabin.
News flash: If your health is such that you may not perform satisfactorily, you lose your medical.
Keep the stupidity coming. It’s mildly entertaining.
I’m furious. My employer is insisting I wear pants while flying. “Help help, I’m being oppressed!”
News flash: If your health is such that you may not perform satisfactorily, you lose your medical.
Keep the stupidity coming. It’s mildly entertaining.
I’m furious. My employer is insisting I wear pants while flying. “Help help, I’m being oppressed!”
if your health is such, could happen with covid but more likely in the terminal or the hotel room you used from an infected person a few hours ago.
insisting I wear pants while flying, do they really.
keep the stupidity coming, depends on what you see as stupid. I see anyone that wants to risk infecting the entire nation at this time for a holiday to Europe as stupid.
Here you go... https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074
So yes you are better off being vaccinated but in terms of stopping the spread it helps with Alpha not so much so with Delta.
So yes you are better off being vaccinated but in terms of stopping the spread it helps with Alpha not so much so with Delta.
“We don’t yet know how much transmission can happen from people who get covid-19 after being vaccinated—for example, they may have high levels of virus for shorter periods of time.
“But the fact that they can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren’t yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the delta variant as we hoped. This means it is essential for as many people as possible to get vaccinated—both in the UK and worldwide.”
“But the fact that they can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren’t yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the delta variant as we hoped. This means it is essential for as many people as possible to get vaccinated—both in the UK and worldwide.”
if a vaccinated crew member is covid positive they will spread it equally the same as someone unvaccinated
At the risk of putting my female foot into the middle of a political and employment debate, may I add some pure science?
The Indian or Delta variant is more transmissable. Much of the developed world is vaccinated. We are getting better at preventing ITU admission and death. 2021 is not the new 2020
As a result the people at risk of death are now the immunosuppresed - those with cancer and on immunosuppressants. Not professional pilots
The rest of the world has little risk of death but over the next 18-36 months everyone (well 98% of everyone) will get vaccinated or infected. That is the choice. The vaccines are very safe - even the risk of myocarditis froim Pfizer is a sixth that of myocarditis froim Covid. I would get vaccinated now purely because of the risk of long covid. Even if it is only 4% (and it is likely much higher) that is a 4% risk of losing my job, losing my medical, and failing to support my family. Sadly the politicians are still stuck in 2020 saying get vaccinated to save granny. Granny is vaccinated and safe. Vaccination is a totally selfish act, and a good one at that. Vaccination does not prevent infection, but you are likely to have only minor symptoms for a few days and no long covid. This will be the case for decades.
As to why Mr Joyce is mandating it, I can think of two reasons: first it is good marketing because most people believe adverts. Personally if I am in a metal tube with 400 plus others it matters not a jot it the dozen or so CC and pilots are vaccinated or not especially as they can still be transmitting. Second, to run an efficient airline you dont want your employees going sick for weeks and weeks. It takes only a handful of key employees to get struck down to create significant financial headwinds.
The Indian or Delta variant is more transmissable. Much of the developed world is vaccinated. We are getting better at preventing ITU admission and death. 2021 is not the new 2020
As a result the people at risk of death are now the immunosuppresed - those with cancer and on immunosuppressants. Not professional pilots
The rest of the world has little risk of death but over the next 18-36 months everyone (well 98% of everyone) will get vaccinated or infected. That is the choice. The vaccines are very safe - even the risk of myocarditis froim Pfizer is a sixth that of myocarditis froim Covid. I would get vaccinated now purely because of the risk of long covid. Even if it is only 4% (and it is likely much higher) that is a 4% risk of losing my job, losing my medical, and failing to support my family. Sadly the politicians are still stuck in 2020 saying get vaccinated to save granny. Granny is vaccinated and safe. Vaccination is a totally selfish act, and a good one at that. Vaccination does not prevent infection, but you are likely to have only minor symptoms for a few days and no long covid. This will be the case for decades.
As to why Mr Joyce is mandating it, I can think of two reasons: first it is good marketing because most people believe adverts. Personally if I am in a metal tube with 400 plus others it matters not a jot it the dozen or so CC and pilots are vaccinated or not especially as they can still be transmitting. Second, to run an efficient airline you dont want your employees going sick for weeks and weeks. It takes only a handful of key employees to get struck down to create significant financial headwinds.
Firstly the argument is about the mandate decide by the office staff not the merits of the vaccine, we know that it's a good idea.
The vaccines are very safe. We don't know that yet.
This will be the case for decades. Not even god knows that.
It only takes a handful of key employees to be struck down. Your absolutely right, Airline staff are completely expendable and not a serious consideration in the grand scheme of things.
The vaccines are very safe. We don't know that yet.
This will be the case for decades. Not even god knows that.
It only takes a handful of key employees to be struck down. Your absolutely right, Airline staff are completely expendable and not a serious consideration in the grand scheme of things.
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