VA pilots threatened with AWARD wages
Where was the Bain hatred during administration? I don't remember any charities trying to buy VA. Any mug would have wanted EBA's sorted quick smart and shock horror, a hair cut. It's business and VA was a bad business.
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Just to throw my 5c in gordon, the gun that's pointed at us by the company is a pistol, come Monday 5pm the FWA may come out with a AK-47.
Hopefully no triggers are pulled, we get pistol whipped and we can recover from that.
Hopefully no triggers are pulled, we get pistol whipped and we can recover from that.
Well good luck to us all either way. I hope the pistol whipping won’t leave you all softened up so much that you abandon the fight next time around when our services will be at a premium.
Please explain how voting an EBA down on a high capacity jet operation with a no vote ends up with the employees being put on the award! You VA guys are messed up thinking that can happen.
It doesn’t, that’s not the issue and that has been explained. What can happen is that any future offer from the company will be compared against the award, this would most likely be worse than the current offer. Fair work mediation would mean power taken away from negotiators as all company has to do is prove that it’s better than the award.
VA I’m sure are not at a point where FWA would get involved or even make any kind of determination. Ours has been going for over 3 yrs without FWA even been thought of. You guys have been negotiating for all of 5minutes and think FWA are going to automatically determine an outcome.
VA I’m sure are not at a point where FWA would get involved or even make any kind of determination. Ours has been going for over 3 yrs without FWA even been thought of. You guys have been negotiating for all of 5minutes and think FWA are going to automatically determine an outcome.
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VA I’m sure are not at a point where FWA would get involved or even make any kind of determination. Ours has been going for over 3 yrs without FWA even been thought of. You guys have been negotiating for all of 5minutes and think FWA are going to automatically determine an outcome.
Virgin negotiations have been going on slightly longer than 5 minutes. Since August 2019 in fact.
And maybe we will go with what the AFAP have been saying - considered legal advice and multiple updates on the risks of a No vote.
If you think that Virgin pilots will end up on the award - then you’re as ignorant as those trying to drive a no vote through this rhetoric.
As multiple posters have stated - the threat isn’t the award. It’s the that if any sort of arbitration was to end up at the Fair Work COMMISSION, then they will compare what the Company is offering to the Award. The employees will lose any sort of bargaining power and the deal will almost certainly get worse.
What’s on offer is $200k, 57.5 hours OT trigger and 12/13 days off in 4 weeks.
Some of the other parts of the deal are pretty ordinary. But so is 18 months into a pandemic with no clear end in sight.
So I will take the deal on offer knowing that if I fly 70 hours, I get paid the same, and when things get busy, I’ve got more time off.
I don’t want to turn this into a QF thread (god knows there are enough) but would this not be similar to the QF Long Haul EA that went to a FWC Determination after the lockout?
They did not compare our existing EA with the Award, it was compared against the company’s last offer. The FWC stated that they did not want to drive any major changes, those should only be agreed to by both parties. Instead they took some of the claims of each side and came back with a Determination which was little different from our existing EA.
I ask this as a genuine question, not suggesting I know what would happen. Clearly exiting administration and a new owner make the VA scenario unique.
They did not compare our existing EA with the Award, it was compared against the company’s last offer. The FWC stated that they did not want to drive any major changes, those should only be agreed to by both parties. Instead they took some of the claims of each side and came back with a Determination which was little different from our existing EA.
I ask this as a genuine question, not suggesting I know what would happen. Clearly exiting administration and a new owner make the VA scenario unique.
A fair work arbitration would be a good result. It has to meet the better off overall conditions of the fair work act.
The only way it can reduce your conditions is under the Covid exemption and mutually agreed to by both parties.
To get an arbitration however would be tricky. It took Qantas grounding the airline for it to get to that point. After PIA.
The only way it can reduce your conditions is under the Covid exemption and mutually agreed to by both parties.
To get an arbitration however would be tricky. It took Qantas grounding the airline for it to get to that point. After PIA.
A fair work arbitration would be a good result. It has to meet the better off overall conditions of the fair work act.
The only way it can reduce your conditions is under the Covid exemption and mutually agreed to by both parties.
To get an arbitration however would be tricky. It took Qantas grounding the airline for it to get to that point. After PIA.
The only way it can reduce your conditions is under the Covid exemption and mutually agreed to by both parties.
To get an arbitration however would be tricky. It took Qantas grounding the airline for it to get to that point. After PIA.
The Cabin Crew recommendation is a sobering read...
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Sorry everyone.