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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 09:57
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you've also got the flight simmers who think it's all a piece of cake because they know how to configure an A330 autopilot and watch it autoland whilst sitting in their chair eating ice cream.

Sometimes the case.

On the other hand, I can tell a tale. Years ago, I had a couple of aircraft field service reps (LAME background guys) working for me - both keen flight simmers. During one period I was also doing some 733/4 sim endorsement training work on the side and, one night, invited the boys along (with the pre-arranged concurrence of the pilot trainees). During the coffee break, I gave the pilots a rest from my usual discussion workload and gave my colleagues a run in the sim.

Now these guys had never flown an aircraft and their total exposure to the Boeing was the previous couple of hours watching. With motion off, raw data and hand flown, both of them were able to do a more than quite passable circuit and landing. I was both surprised and impressed. Not all simmers deserve the would be, if could be, tag, I suggest.

(ZR - methinks your view is a tad jaundiced ?)
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 10:12
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Originally Posted by john_tullamarine View Post
you've also got the flight simmers who think it's all a piece of cake because they know how to configure an A330 autopilot and watch it autoland whilst sitting in their chair eating ice cream.

Sometimes the case.

On the other hand, I can tell a tale. Years ago, I had a couple of aircraft field service reps (LAME background guys) working for me - both keen flight simmers. During one period I was also doing some 733/4 sim endorsement training work on the side and, one night, invited the boys along (with the pre-arranged concurrence of the pilot trainees). During the coffee break, I gave the pilots a rest from my usual discussion workload and gave my colleagues a run in the sim.

Now these guys had never flown an aircraft and their total exposure to the Boeing was the previous couple of hours watching. With motion off, raw data and hand flown, both of them were able to do a more than quite passable circuit and landing. I was both surprised and impressed. Not all simmers deserve the would be, if could be, tag, I suggest.

(ZR - methinks your view is a tad jaundiced ?)
Best sim. Pilots I’ve ever seen were Sim. Technicians !
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 08:09
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A lot of information here , some quite helpful
What is the final verdict of everyone
I would say "no" - get an alternative qualification/skill whether degree/trade & put some work experience on top of it
Exception would be if you got ADF Pilot (preferably via ADFA degree first) or cadetship that leads directly to job - possibly only Rex ?
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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 21:49
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Interesting that some people think the old SCPL exams were “difficult”. My experience was entirely the opposite. Conversely, a few years later I did a science degree majoring in Computer Science and found it to be quite a struggle at times. Not the walk in the park that the suite of CPL/SCPL theory exams were.

For the OP, my 2 cents is to forget any of the so called aviation degrees. They are mostly dodgy, money making lurks for the institutions that provide them.

Apart from that, there is no single perfect pathway to a successful flying career. Degree, trade qualifications or neither all seem to work (or not work).

I’ve become ever more negative about the future of flying as a career. For instance, Cathay is actively studying the option of single pilot operation in cruise, it’s unlikely they are alone. This is the tip of a very nasty iceberg for future pilots.






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Old 23rd Jul 2021, 22:00
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But hang on. The ADF is not just a job. Our security situation is deteriorating and our potential adversaries are at near peer level, meaning mass casualties on our side in the event of conflict. Be prepared to honour what you signed up for and it could be grim.
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Old 24th Jul 2021, 00:46
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But hang on. The ADF is not just a job. Our security situation is deteriorating and our potential adversaries are at near peer level, meaning mass casualties on our side in the event of conflict. Be prepared to honour what you signed up for and it could be grim.
Yes, a very good point not to be taken lightly. One wouldn't join the ADF just for a job. But for the right people that might be a positive.
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Old 24th Jul 2021, 04:01
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Could be "grim" as ADF Pilot
All very high drama
ADF haven't lost a pilot in combat for over 50 years
Be so careful sugar puffs what you wish for , risk , risk , on my God the level of the incredible risk
Be so careful of that incredible dangerous risk
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Old 24th Jul 2021, 04:06
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Could be "grim" as ADF Pilot
All very high drama
ADF haven't lost a pilot in combat for over 50 years
Be so careful sugar puffs what you wish for , risk , risk , on my God the level of the incredible risk
Be so careful of that incredible dangerous risk
Whoa………..
Thats gotta be pretty close to trolling , doesn’t it ?

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Old 24th Jul 2021, 04:38
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I have had the enormous privilege over my life of meeting and talking at length to;
-A Battle of Britain Spitfire Pilot
-a Spitfire Pilot who fought the Japanese over Darwin.
-Several Bomber Command Lancaster Pilots
-Numerous Vietnam era Mirage and chopper Pilots.
-and many more.

Anybody who signs up for the ADF without understanding the concepts of duty and putting yourself in harms way to carry out the mission is delusional.
And totally disrespectful to those that have gone before.


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Old 29th Jul 2021, 23:48
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Could be "grim" as ADF Pilot
All very high drama
ADF haven't lost a pilot in combat for over 50 years
Be so careful sugar puffs what you wish for , risk , risk , on my God the level of the incredible risk
Be so careful of that incredible dangerous risk
I missed this. My point was, remember what you signed up for. There's plenty of chat that our defence doctrine has moved away from dropping LGB's on Toyotas from the Flight Levels, toward a possibility of near-peer conflict in our region. The last time we fought China, 77 Squadron lost many, many pilots. The last time we lost a combat aircraft, the missiles came from CCP supported logistics.

People can do their own research of Western combat pilots in conflict post-Vietnam, who shirked their duty. Perhaps they joined up just to learn to fly?
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 01:34
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Joining the ADF now just to fly would be naive at best - especially with a 14.5 year obligation.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
...Exception would be if you got ADF Pilot (preferably via ADFA degree first)...
I disagree on that. If you want to be a military pilot three years at ADFA is a waste of time, plus there is always the risk of losing your pilot medical standard over that time and getting bumped off your pilot course (and I say that as being an ADFA graduate). If you want to be a military pilot, bypass ADFA and go full throttle at being a military pilot. You can always come back to ADFA and study a degree or be sponsored by the military at a civilian university later on in your career.
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