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Old 27th May 2021, 08:22
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Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
It wouldn't matter if they wanted to re-employ VANZ Tiger VARA etc. The re-employment mechanism is all via the group date of joining which those units are a party to. Most of the VANZ pilots are in NZ and most probably won't move to Australia which would involve packing up and moving during a pandemic. Most, but not all, everyone's situation is different. There's no mechanism to reinstate those old contacts. I would expect to be re-employed back on the same EBA as everyone else.
I suggest you re-read my post as youíve completely missed the point I was making.
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Old 27th May 2021, 11:03
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What ‘facts’ doesn’t Barrt3344 have ? I don’t read anything in that post that is not at least in the realm of possibility.
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Old 27th May 2021, 11:47
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it will be interesting to see who takes the wide body slots when they arise.
I suggest that you do not hold your breath waiting for wide body ops.
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Old 27th May 2021, 21:35
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Well great news to see the top 100 or so coming back. I donít forget that it was all of you who quite literally started this company from day one. I wouldnít have been here if you hadnít. Tough shit to all the wringers out there. Canít wait to shout you guys a coffee when your back. 🤙
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Old 27th May 2021, 21:40
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Originally Posted by PammyAnderson View Post
Well great news to see the top 100 or so coming back. I donít forget that it was all of you who quite literally started this company from day one. I wouldnít have been here if you hadnít. Tough shit to all the wringers out there. Canít wait to shout you guys a coffee when your back. 🤙
That's the spirit! What a refreshing attitude.
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Old 28th May 2021, 03:18
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Originally Posted by PammyAnderson View Post
Well great news to see the top 100 or so coming back. I donít forget that it was all of you who quite literally started this company from day one. I wouldnít have been here if you hadnít. Tough shit to all the wringers out there. Canít wait to shout you guys a coffee when your back. 🤙
+1
Also a shoutout to the early guys and gals at VANZ, Tiger and the ATR who helped set up the operation but unfortunately ended up in the same boat as everyone else not on the narrow body. Theyíre all deserving of an early return but unfortunately were associated with the wrong business entity and are a fair way down the pack for reemployment.
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Old 28th May 2021, 03:31
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And especially to those ATR guys and girls who had a B737 position award already but either elected to stay Ďbehindí to help with T and C requirements or were Ďcappedí from moving off the fleet to take up their position. The ability to take up their position if vacancies on the 737 arose expired at the end of March 2021 ( with the later redundancy option) and here we are only 2 months....60 days later and there are now 737 vacancies.

Unbelievably consistent bad timing and luck for these pilots.

A bit of perspective on both sides is required here. To those 737 pilots who have kept their jobs in VA - some appreciation of just what it feels like to receive that redundancy letter and not having another flying job for x amount of months would go a long way. To the WB guys on the first few pages - you cant just waltz into a base of your choice at the expense of pilots already on the fleet, be happy that you are able to get a job back in VA within 12 months.

The only way pilots will be able to keep the bastard VA management in line is for all to abide by the established policies and EBA provisions. You can be sure Bain will try and water those down to the maximum in the future.
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Old 28th May 2021, 04:06
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The only way pilots will be able to keep the bastard VA management in line is for all to abide by the established policies and EBA provisions.
The only "fair" system is a in-line strict seniority system. Unfortunately with 5 types that is just to expensive to run. Every other alternative is just a work around and will end up screwing people over somewhere. The problem with the current arrangement is the ever shifting sands of what the actual rules are. People make career decisions on information at hand only to have it torn up a year later.
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Old 28th May 2021, 04:15
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A few of my colleagues have said they will never take a widebody seat ever in their careers ahead. I work with some who had aspirations in coming years. I have asked the same question and all have no interest. Too risky. Political unrest could cause disruptions on that front at some point in the medium term. Those younger I work alongside all had the same view, they could get caught out toward the back half of their careers, in the 50s, and be forced into early retirement. Meanwhile I stuck to domestic narrowbody and will remain employed for 40 years on retirement.

Safest Job on this land, aside Tiger, is narrow body domestic. But someoneís gotta haul the big stuff around I guess.

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Old 28th May 2021, 07:35
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to the WB guys on the first few pages - you cant just waltz into a base of your choice at the expense of pilots already on the fleet, be happy that you are able to get a job back in VA within 12 months.
I speak to a lot of WB redundant pilots - and I donít know ANYONE who expects that. I donít know where that crap is coming from. Maybe internal as there are a few shit-stirrers trying to cause division because they like the look of the new seniority list with the first half dozen pages (and all through the list top to bottom) totally decimated. Itís all about self-interest and greed. They are a disgrace by not being decent humans and expecting the right thing to be done by there fellow pilots. Some of the redundant pilots might have interviewed them, gave them their job there or trained them.

Redundant pilots from all affected fleets expect the long standing EBA re-employment clauses that no-one batted an eyelid about when things were normal be implemented. You bid for available positions you are interested in and cross your fingers. Not expecting to ďwaltz in to your previous baseĒ. Thatís total BS.

Hopefully expansion and success will see everyone eventually re-hired.
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Old 28th May 2021, 08:51
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Originally Posted by PammyAnderson View Post
Well great news to see the top 100 or so coming back. I donít forget that it was all of you who quite literally started this company from day one. I wouldnít have been here if you hadnít. Tough shit to all the wringers out there. Canít wait to shout you guys a coffee when your back. 🤙

How do these Ď100í slot into the operation? Not having the long haul eba in front of me do they maintain their Group DOJ or back in at the bottom???
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Old 28th May 2021, 09:39
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Itís not only the WB EBA it applies to, and has been part of the EBAís for years. If awarded a position they keep their position on the list in whatever base they bid for or accept. Currently they are marked as Inactive in red and still on the list in their original position. The list is a sea of red. Not pretty. Itís so redundant pilots have an opportunity of re-employment before people off the street which is fair.
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Old 28th May 2021, 10:00
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I am staggered but not surprised at the level of venom and vitriol delivered by some contributors, aimed directly at the WB pilots who lost their jobs. They were, by and large, the back bone and foundation of Virgin Blue in the early days and earned their stripes on the larger aircraft. If the shoe was on the other foot, I bet those same contributors would be belly aching the loudest about loosing their careers, incomes, self esteem and who knows what else. How about a bit of RESPECT for those who paved the way for many of those to follow only to have the rug pulled from under their feet through no fault of their own...
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Old 28th May 2021, 10:24
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Originally Posted by DUXNUTZ;[url=tel:11052856
11052856[/url]]How do these Ď100í slot into the operation? Not having the long haul eba in front of me do they maintain their Group DOJ or back in at the bottom???
they donít slot in as said. They bid (as can anyone in the company or on the inactive list) as they are additional slots. Yes they maintain their seniority / GDOJ as per all the EBAs
reemployment clauses thatís been in place for 20 years.
great to see them all back 👍🏻
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Old 28th May 2021, 21:26
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Originally Posted by PammyAnderson View Post
they donít slot in as said. They bid (as can anyone in the company or on the inactive list) as they are additional slots. Yes they maintain their seniority / GDOJ as per all the EBAs
reemployment clauses thatís been in place for 20 years.
great to see them all back 👍🏻

Great news.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 22:41
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Iím hearing that the recruitment for the recently announced positions (85-90) has been put on hold as the current crews are still not at 100%
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 02:43
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Of course existing crew need to be utilised to 100% before more crew are added to the roster but consider this:

The crew at the top of the list, first cabs off the rank will need several months to requalify to 737. Most haven''t flown it for 7-10 years so re-recruiting will need to run out months in front of utilisation of existing crew. Once existing crew get to 100% it's too late to start retraining. And there is finite sim availability.
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