Quarantine Hypocrisy

[ScepticalOptomist]

Originally Posted by Troo believer

From across the Tasman for aircrew quarantine rules in New Zealand. Have a read of this compared with Australian crew requirements. Correct me if I’m wrong but do Air New Zealand crew have to quarantine at all if they fly to Singapore or Hong Kong and back to NZ? It appears not but please enlighten me. For flights to LA or San Fran 2 days and a negative test. Not 14. Can anybody else see this as a major flaw in the bubble? Perhaps Aussies are just more diseased than our Kiwi bros.
https://www.health.govt.nz/system/fi...al_interim.pdf

Not a flaw, but some common bloody sense!

They get tested, and trust their tracing system. We just run and hide and shutdown at the first sign of a sniffle.

[Dannyboy39]

Originally Posted by kitchen bench

So, you've been to Nauru and that's a first hand observation? Or are you repeating the drivel that comes out of the mouths of some do-gooders?
At least the people that arrive in the country to go to the quarantine facilities will have done so legally. On the other hand ..............




If you believe that then I imagine you believe pigs can fly too.



And finally, just so you've got the facts, the Victorian State Government announced today that they'll build a dedicated quarantine facility not 40 kms from Melbourne. Now, even by the wildest of imaginations, that's not the desert.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...lity/100103308

Ok to clarify - the USA and most of Europe will hit herd immunity, and probably the Middle East will hit it in the next few months. 70% of the UK now has Covid antibodies as of today.

[kitchen bench]

Ok to clarify - the USA and most of Europe will hit herd immunity,

Well, that's cleared up that inconsistency.

And your responses to "Nauru" or "desert camps" claims are not evident. How convenient.

[Dannyboy39]

Originally Posted by kitchen bench

Well, that's cleared up that inconsistency.

And your responses to "Nauru" or "desert camps" claims are not evident. How convenient.

And I guess pigs are indeed flying. I have worked with the airline there... you know the one that is subsidised by Aus taxpayers? But don’t let it stop your whataboutary. The point I’m making is that it is completely inhumane to be holding people in these massive offshore or remote hubs who are likely to be vaccinated or completely healthy. All because of 1 case that slipped out. The world needs to move on where it can.

[witwiw]

the one that is subsidised by Aus taxpayers

WRONG. There is no Australian Govt. subsidy - none, and never has been!! If anything, the airline got assistance from Taiwan in the past but not from Australia.

They certainly do some charter work for one or two government departments but that’s as a result of a competitive process. Sky Traders is another company that does similar work for the government and benefits from that same process.

Where do you get your information from?

[Car RAMROD]

With the increase in hotel quarantine case numbers , and now the positive test result of a guard in Perth, will we see any isolation of the staff that work in these environments (other than when the individual tests positive)?

I bet no, we won’t.

I would put money in there being another “outbreak” (to use some media sensationalism) in more than just Perth, and subsequently there being more lockdowns.


quote from ABC news article today:

The cases stem from a security guard in his 20s who was infected with the virus while working at the Pan Pacific Hotel, Mr McGowan said.

The man worked on the same floor as two other positive cases staying in hotel quarantine, he said.

He had been out in Perth's inner-northern suburbs for days before testing positive for COVID-19.

Two of the man’s housemates had since tested positive for the virus.

They have all been moved in hotel quarantine.

Just to recap:

work with covid positive people, allowed out in the community, spread it to others.

fly an aeroplane, isolate in your room at the destination, fly home to Australia, vaccinated= 14 day quarantine.

That makes sense.

[cloudsurfng]

Perhaps it’s time the rest of Australia returned the finger to WA like they did previously.

[kitchen bench]

to be holding people in these massive offshore or remote hubs …….

Oh dear, there you go again Dannyboy. Howard Springs (have you heard of that?) and Mickleham are neither remote nor offshore. The furthest most one is less than 40 km from a major mainland Australian city therefore not remote. When I last looked, both were firmly implanted on the Australian mainland therefore not offshore.

Given that Howard Springs has multiple recently returned people returning positive Covid results would indicate quarantine is a necessary element of control.

“ ……. likely to be vaccinated or completely healthy

but not necessarily either.



I concur – where DO you get your information from??????

[blubak]

Originally Posted by kitchen bench

Oh dear, there you go again Dannyboy. Howard Springs (have you heard of that?) and Mickleham are neither remote nor offshore. The furthest most one is less than 40 km from a major mainland Australian city therefore not remote. When I last looked, both were firmly implanted on the Australian mainland therefore not offshore.

Given that Howard Springs has multiple recently returned people returning positive Covid results would indicate quarantine is a necessary element of control.



but not necessarily either.



I concur – where DO you get your information from??????

We all wish quarantine wasnt neccessary & some dont believe it is & they are entitled to that view 100%.
What i would like to know is if the borders get thrown open & everybody who wants to can come & go freely & covid spreads like it has in other countries what do we do then?
Do we ignore the fact it is here,that is definitely an option as some dont believe it exists or causes illness/death.
For the pilots & many others who want their jobs back( they are not being selfish wishing for that) i just wonder how long those jobs will be there if covid cases are hundreds or thousands per day.
Do we want government control of the situation or should they just treat it like a bad flu.

[Troo believer]

Originally Posted by blubak

We all wish quarantine wasnt neccessary & some dont believe it is & they are entitled to that view 100%.
What i would like to know is if the borders get thrown open & everybody who wants to can come & go freely & covid spreads like it has in other countries what do we do then?
Do we ignore the fact it is here,that is definitely an option as some dont believe it exists or causes illness/death.
For the pilots & many others who want their jobs back( they are not being selfish wishing for that) i just wonder how long those jobs will be there if covid cases are hundreds or thousands per day.
Do we want government control of the situation or should they just treat it like a bad flu.

Well you tell us. Do you understand that eradication isn’t possible unless we isolate forever. The end game has always been a vaccination, herd immunity and returning to some semblance of normality. How many people were infected by the flu pre COVID? Was it even mentioned in the media or government? No hardly at all. Do you know someone whom has had COVID? Have you had COVID? What was it like? Of course now that we have vaccines of which all 6 prevent death or severe illness, COVID will become just another human illness that we have to deal with.
Yes for most it’s like a flu. Welcome to life. It’s a health hazard.

[havick]

Originally Posted by blubak

We all wish quarantine wasnt neccessary & some dont believe it is & they are entitled to that view 100%.
What i would like to know is if the borders get thrown open & everybody who wants to can come & go freely & covid spreads like it has in other countries what do we do then?
Do we ignore the fact it is here,that is definitely an option as some dont believe it exists or causes illness/death.
For the pilots & many others who want their jobs back( they are not being selfish wishing for that) i just wonder how long those jobs will be there if covid cases are hundreds or thousands per day.
Do we want government control of the situation or should they just treat it like a bad flu.

I hear North Korea is doing quite well with their quarantine measures.

[blubak]

Originally Posted by Troo believer

Well you tell us. Do you understand that eradication isn’t possible unless we isolate forever. The end game has always been a vaccination, herd immunity and returning to some semblance of normality. How many people were infected by the flu pre COVID? Was it even mentioned in the media or government? No hardly at all. Do you know someone whom has had COVID? Have you had COVID? What was it like? Of course now that we have vaccines of which all 6 prevent death or severe illness, COVID will become just another human illness that we have to deal with.
Yes for most it’s like a flu. Welcome to life. It’s a health hazard.

If i was able to tell you,do u think i would be asking.
Ur right,flu doesnt get mentioned in the media,nor do lots of other diseases that kill many people & for what its worth i have had personal experience of that happening to a family member.
If you want to go on the defensive when someone asks a question well that is of course your right but why not consider that maybe everybody is not as clever as you make yourself out to be & who knows you may be the cleverest person in the world.

[Troo believer]

This article is bang on correct.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wor...03-p57okq.html

from the article
“For the record, Payne has been given a vaccine, is flying to London on a private jet and won’t quarantine in a hotel upon her return to Australia.”

WTF.

[compressor stall]

Misleading sentence for journalistic effect and it worked on you.

This would be no surprise if you are familiar with the various state / territory regulations. There are - and have always been - exemptions for mandatory hotel Q for various Commonwealth officials (amongst others). Some states, however, have recently started to obfuscate this and lump it into the "minister may grant an exemption" subclause.

I guarantee you that Payne will not be wandering the streets of Canberra or Perth upon her return. She will likely be isolating alone in an apartment or other location for the 14 days - a location that will allow her to continue her function as a commonwealth official - which is what we pay her to do. I don't have an issue with that. Singers and actors, however......

edit - And also interesting choice of words of "private jet". Conjures up all sorts of emotions - particularly those of envy. In fact the RAAF 7x just landed in Rome. I assume she's on it.

[ozbiggles]

Any citizen who is a resident of the ACT can apply to home quarantine in the ACT. Have been able to do so since this began. Calm the farm.

[Troo believer]

Originally Posted by ozbiggles

Any citizen who is a resident of the ACT can apply to home quarantine in the ACT. Have been able to do so since this began. Calm the farm.

The private jet is what I was questioning. Could have used a 787 direct from Perth or Darwin. Much faster and logistically simpler.

[On eyre]

Originally Posted by Troo believer

The private jet is what I was questioning. Could have used a 787 direct from Perth or Darwin. Much faster and logistically simpler.

Which airline is currently running a 787 direct from Perth or Darwin to Europe ? 😳 None that I’m aware of but stand to be corrected.

[compressor stall]

A56-003 has left LIRA and is right now off the coast of Brighton heading towards Southhampton. ASY304.

Originally Posted by Troo believer

The private jet is what I was questioning. Could have used a 787 direct from Perth or Darwin. Much faster and logistically simpler.

Are you suggesting that our foreign minister and entourage shouldn't be flying around in a RAAF biz jet?

[rexxxxxy]

Originally Posted by compressor stall

A56-003 has left LIRA and is right now off the coast of Brighton heading towards Southhampton. ASY304.

This is the third time the Falcon's have been overseas in the past month

First was Trade Minister Trip to Europe - ASY301
Second was Foreign Minister Trip to NZ - ASY302
And now ASY304 - off to London, Geneva and then heading to the USA.

A 787 (or KC30) makes no sense with such a small travelling party.

[Climb150]

Originally Posted by rexxxxxy

This is the third time the Falcon's have been overseas in the past month

First was Trade Minister Trip to Europe - ASY301
Second was Foreign Minister Trip to NZ - ASY302
And now ASY304 - off to London, Geneva and then heading to the USA.

A 787 (or KC30) makes no sense with such a small travelling party.

Surely these top level ministers are vaccinated so can travel on scheduled flights to EU and beyond?