Covid Shot - Side Effects?
WHO are reporting side effects to the Pfizer vaccine include, swelling around the heart, arrhythmia, high blood pressure. I’m not posting this to scare people off getting vaccinated, but to make pilots aware that if they get vaccinated and then do their medical within a few months they might ring the blood pressure bell, like I just did…..off to the the specialist for a stress echo test I go!!!
Edited to add: I donate blood and they record your BP each time. I’m normally around 123/75, but a month after my second dose I was 147/75...It’s never been that high. I’ll be interested to see what it is when I donate next.
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WHO are reporting side effects to the Pfizer vaccine include, swelling around the heart, arrhythmia, high blood pressure. I’m not posting this to scare people off getting vaccinated, but to make pilots aware that if they get vaccinated and then do their medical within a few months they might ring the blood pressure bell, like I just did…..off to the the specialist for a stress echo test I go!!!
“Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is still being studied in clinical trials.”
Here in Canada: this is what you can read on TC website regarding the vaccine:
You know how insurances try to find any reason for not paying anything to their customers when they have to fill a claim: would I be covered for any vaccine side effect that would affect my medical?
More scaremongering.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...-biontech.html
"The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is authorized for people aged 12 years and older."
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...-biontech.html
"The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is authorized for people aged 12 years and older."
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Where has he(?) said he identifies as a so-called (by your personal definition) "anti vaxxer" (sic)? You know nothing of his vaccination status or overall outlook on the topic beyond an inclination to free thought. For someone who carries himself as a player of the ball rather than the man your aggressive response, bordering on hysteria, is ignorant, rude and potentially dangerous.
What is the real motivation for your outrage? I doubt it's an over-developed sense of altruism so why does it bother you so much if he posts thought-provoking material? You should be interested to know if you've endangered your aircrew medical with this or any other injection or any medical treatment in general (I know of five, possibly six, pilots who've lost their certificates subsequent to their injections). You should also be interested to know if you've damaged your body by submitting to injection with an experimental substance. Some people seem to be coming to the conclusion they may live to regret being "vaccinated" and are developing feelings of frustration as a result; maybe that's the motivation?
You followed up your emotion-based reply with an attempt to explain your opinion using "facts" by way of more opinion, padded out with a link to a gov't statement. This statement ducks around the real issue with vague terminology to reassure the reader while explaining nothing of the fact that this country does things differently and with less transparency than some others. Where is the Informed Consent on this vaccination programme, a requirement in some other countries, here in Australia? Emergency Use Authorisation status in other countries is a fact regardless of which words they use here to placate the masses. I pity the fool who reads that sort of propaganda and believes it word for word.
There's a lot of people here reporting no side-effects a day or two after being injected but, presuming they expect to live healthy lives for many years onward, I'd say it is far, far too early to be assuming there are no side-effects whatsoever of these experimental substances.
Quite a few here refer to the concept of anti-vaxxers being about "me" but pro-vaxxers being about "society." This is disingenuous at best; they are all about what they think is best for themselves and therefore some think it is "good" if everyone else in society does what they want them to. If you've had a "vaccination" please don't engage in this virtue-signalling about "the greater good" and "what's best for society" and instead be honest about your not-unreasonably self-centred desires.
I have not stated whether I will or won't be or already have been vaccinated.
What is the real motivation for your outrage? I doubt it's an over-developed sense of altruism so why does it bother you so much if he posts thought-provoking material? You should be interested to know if you've endangered your aircrew medical with this or any other injection or any medical treatment in general (I know of five, possibly six, pilots who've lost their certificates subsequent to their injections). You should also be interested to know if you've damaged your body by submitting to injection with an experimental substance. Some people seem to be coming to the conclusion they may live to regret being "vaccinated" and are developing feelings of frustration as a result; maybe that's the motivation?
You followed up your emotion-based reply with an attempt to explain your opinion using "facts" by way of more opinion, padded out with a link to a gov't statement. This statement ducks around the real issue with vague terminology to reassure the reader while explaining nothing of the fact that this country does things differently and with less transparency than some others. Where is the Informed Consent on this vaccination programme, a requirement in some other countries, here in Australia? Emergency Use Authorisation status in other countries is a fact regardless of which words they use here to placate the masses. I pity the fool who reads that sort of propaganda and believes it word for word.
There's a lot of people here reporting no side-effects a day or two after being injected but, presuming they expect to live healthy lives for many years onward, I'd say it is far, far too early to be assuming there are no side-effects whatsoever of these experimental substances.
Quite a few here refer to the concept of anti-vaxxers being about "me" but pro-vaxxers being about "society." This is disingenuous at best; they are all about what they think is best for themselves and therefore some think it is "good" if everyone else in society does what they want them to. If you've had a "vaccination" please don't engage in this virtue-signalling about "the greater good" and "what's best for society" and instead be honest about your not-unreasonably self-centred desires.
I have not stated whether I will or won't be or already have been vaccinated.
Instead of crapping on about what you "think" has happened, or repeating what others "think" have happened after getting the Pfizer vaccine. How about you go to the source data and see for yourselves.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...y22YFpmTB-zVVl
Or Google COVID-19 mRNA Pfizer-Biotech vaccine analysis print
This is a sweep of the database that lists every reported occurance after receiving the various vaccines.
As an example, in June report for Pfizer, there were 2 instances (none fatal) of "Jaw Clicking". I just picked two items out of 69 pages. There was 3494 reports of Arthralgia with 0 fatal. It will be many years before we know for sure what is caused by the vaccine, and what is simply coincidence.
As of 17 July 2021 there has been 3.67 BILLION vaccinations given around the globe. How many deaths have we heared about that were suspected of being caused by the vaccine. Probably less that 1000 from what I can gather. It may actually be in the hundreds. NO ONE REALY KNOWS FOR SURE. In any case I would hazard to guess that getting the vaccine is safer than driving or drinking alcohol.
So people.............STOP CRAPPING ON.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...y22YFpmTB-zVVl
Or Google COVID-19 mRNA Pfizer-Biotech vaccine analysis print
This is a sweep of the database that lists every reported occurance after receiving the various vaccines.
As an example, in June report for Pfizer, there were 2 instances (none fatal) of "Jaw Clicking". I just picked two items out of 69 pages. There was 3494 reports of Arthralgia with 0 fatal. It will be many years before we know for sure what is caused by the vaccine, and what is simply coincidence.
As of 17 July 2021 there has been 3.67 BILLION vaccinations given around the globe. How many deaths have we heared about that were suspected of being caused by the vaccine. Probably less that 1000 from what I can gather. It may actually be in the hundreds. NO ONE REALY KNOWS FOR SURE. In any case I would hazard to guess that getting the vaccine is safer than driving or drinking alcohol.
So people.............STOP CRAPPING ON.
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I’ve had every vaccine available and so have all my kids..I’ve had all the free flu shots my company gave me vouchers for over the last 5 years..am I anti vaccine?? No I don’t think so..but I’m very nervous about this one..now am I anti vax?? Yes? What changed…1/20 means I failed the test?? Spare me..!
From Wiki:
Due to the program's open and accessible design and its allowance of unverified reports, incomplete VAERS data is often used in false claims regarding vaccine safety. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control has warned that data from VAERS is not enough to determine whether a vaccine can cause a particular adverse event.
People can believe what they like, but personally I'd no more believe VAERS than a random bloke in the street.
If I went to South America and toured the jungles I would in all likelihood take the yellow fever vaccine. As I nosied up the Amazon I wouldn't give two figs if the bloke sitting next to me had had the vaccine. I would expect protection to a certain extent regardless.
If I take the Covid vaccine I wouldn't give a rats ar$e whether the bloke next to me in the terminal had had it. Why should I? Isn't the whole point of taking this thing to get protection?
You blokes and blokettes who think everyone has to take it in order for it to work are seriously underwhelming me. What would be the point? In any event, I am thinking that way less than the 70% figure you are bandying about for the thing to work are going to front up for this emergency, less than 1 year old treatment that is not even vaccine by definition.
I would like to see you all overcome your fears and simply live with this until it passes.
If I take the Covid vaccine I wouldn't give a rats ar$e whether the bloke next to me in the terminal had had it. Why should I? Isn't the whole point of taking this thing to get protection?
You blokes and blokettes who think everyone has to take it in order for it to work are seriously underwhelming me. What would be the point? In any event, I am thinking that way less than the 70% figure you are bandying about for the thing to work are going to front up for this emergency, less than 1 year old treatment that is not even vaccine by definition.
I would like to see you all overcome your fears and simply live with this until it passes.
[QUOTE=Aussie Bob;11080126]If I went to South America and toured the jungles I would in all likelihood take the yellow fever vaccine. As I nosied up the Amazon I wouldn't give two figs if the bloke sitting next to me had had the vaccine.
...and you'd be quite right, Aussie Bob. As one of many online medical experts, I'm sure you'll already know that unlike Covid-19, there's no direct human to human transmission of Yellow Fever....
...and you'd be quite right, Aussie Bob. As one of many online medical experts, I'm sure you'll already know that unlike Covid-19, there's no direct human to human transmission of Yellow Fever....
Sure thing Max, but the point remains, does it protect or does it not? If it doesn't, WTF are we taking to for? Sorry to disappoint, I aint no expert, I am simply not particularly worried about much at all, least of all something that I can't even see.
Subsequent to this I might also add, a mosquito directly interfaces with the bloodstream, a human merely breathes out air :-)
Subsequent to this I might also add, a mosquito directly interfaces with the bloodstream, a human merely breathes out air :-)
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[QUOTE=Aussie Bob: "Sure thing Max, but the point remains, does it protect or does it not?"
Perhaps I can help you with that: The consensus amongst medics is that coronavirus vaccines lessen the chance of you getting COVID-19 and massively reduce the risk of developing serious illness and being hospitalised. Being put on a ventilator & death are very bad things. Having flu and a headache: possibly not so much.
[QUOTE=Aussie Bob: "Subsequent to this I might also add, a mosquito directly interfaces with the bloodstream, a human merely breathes out air :-"
So I guess you won't be needing to pack a mask on your Amazon trip?
Perhaps I can help you with that: The consensus amongst medics is that coronavirus vaccines lessen the chance of you getting COVID-19 and massively reduce the risk of developing serious illness and being hospitalised. Being put on a ventilator & death are very bad things. Having flu and a headache: possibly not so much.
[QUOTE=Aussie Bob: "Subsequent to this I might also add, a mosquito directly interfaces with the bloodstream, a human merely breathes out air :-"
So I guess you won't be needing to pack a mask on your Amazon trip?
short flights long nights
If I went to South America and toured the jungles I would in all likelihood take the yellow fever vaccine. As I nosied up the Amazon I wouldn't give two figs if the bloke sitting next to me had had the vaccine. I would expect protection to a certain extent regardless.
If I take the Covid vaccine I wouldn't give a rats ar$e whether the bloke next to me in the terminal had had it. Why should I? Isn't the whole point of taking this thing to get protection?
You blokes and blokettes who think everyone has to take it in order for it to work are seriously underwhelming me. What would be the point? In any event, I am thinking that way less than the 70% figure you are bandying about for the thing to work are going to front up for this emergency, less than 1 year old treatment that is not even vaccine by definition.
I would like to see you all overcome your fears and simply live with this until it passes.
If I take the Covid vaccine I wouldn't give a rats ar$e whether the bloke next to me in the terminal had had it. Why should I? Isn't the whole point of taking this thing to get protection?
You blokes and blokettes who think everyone has to take it in order for it to work are seriously underwhelming me. What would be the point? In any event, I am thinking that way less than the 70% figure you are bandying about for the thing to work are going to front up for this emergency, less than 1 year old treatment that is not even vaccine by definition.
I would like to see you all overcome your fears and simply live with this until it passes.
I am interested to know why you dont think the vaccine is a vaccine ?
Sorry to interrupt as a non dweller in your part of the world but as someone with strong family links with aviation in the region. The death and hospitalisation rates in countries with high levels of vaccination are much lower for a given level of infection. For a like with like comparison, compare the UK stats for the start of second wave, where there was virtually no vaccination, with the equivalent daily case numbers for the third wave, with high levels of vaccination. They are released every day at 1600 UK time. The vaccinations are not 100% effective but they definitely shift the odds in your favour. No question vaccination works.
Would you rather sit there wondering if you should have been vaccinated or be lying in hospital wishing you had been? Your call.
Would you rather sit there wondering if you should have been vaccinated or be lying in hospital wishing you had been? Your call.
I’ve had every vaccine available and so have all my kids..I’ve had all the free flu shots my company gave me vouchers for over the last 5 years..am I anti vaccine?? No I don’t think so..but I’m very nervous about this one..now am I anti vax?? Yes? What changed…1/20 means I failed the test?? Spare me..!
Sorry to interrupt as a non dweller in your part of the world but as someone with strong family links with aviation in the region. The death and hospitalisation rates in countries with high levels of vaccination are much lower for a given level of infection. For a like with like comparison, compare the UK stats for the start of second wave, where there was virtually no vaccination, with the equivalent daily case numbers for the third wave, with high levels of vaccination. They are released every day at 1600 UK time. The vaccinations are not 100% effective but they definitely shift the odds in your favour. No question vaccination works.
Would you rather sit there wondering if you should have been vaccinated or be lying in hospital wishing you had been? Your call.
Would you rather sit there wondering if you should have been vaccinated or be lying in hospital wishing you had been? Your call.
Current daily US death rates of 280 per day (7 day average, less than 10% of the high in January) when corrected for population would be roughly 22 per day or 8200 deaths a year in Australia. In the US such figures are seen as a triumph of science and policy (finally). Here, they'd be a disaster of epic proportions and no politician would ever be willing to sanction such numbers. I think we're fk'd.
Heard the latest news from the US. Approx 18000 covid deaths in May and only 150 of those were vaccinated, leaving the other approx 17850 unvaccinated……….does that tell you something.