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Old 6th Aug 2021, 15:07
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Originally Posted by DHfan View Post
In the UK news there have been three vociferous anti-vaxxers in the last week or so that have died from covid.

There is a God after all.....
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 20:51
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H Scott Apley was a Texas GOP leader who has a public Facebook profile full of anti vax and anti mask rhetoric. He died a few days ago, from COVID. His last FB posts are still there.

His wife has a go fund me campaign to cover hospital bills. Appretnely when it reached its target, the target went up another $20k.
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Old 6th Aug 2021, 23:07
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
H Scott Apley was a Texas GOP leader who has a public Facebook profile full of anti vax and anti mask rhetoric. He died a few days ago, from COVID. His last FB posts are still there.

His wife has a go fund me campaign to cover hospital bills. Appretnely when it reached its target, the target went up another $20k.
Grifting seems to have infected the GOP.; another sad legacy of Trump.
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Old 7th Aug 2021, 01:45
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Oh if you think Grifting only started with Trump in the GOP I got this bridge…
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Old 7th Aug 2021, 07:40
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It’s amazing how many well heeled folk in Politics are linked to big pharma. Queensland’s CMO Dr Jeanette Young’s husband is Professor Graeme Nimmo. He has served on advisory boards for Novartis, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Janssen-Cilag. If that isn’t a conflict of interest then what is?
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Old 7th Aug 2021, 07:58
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
If that isn’t a conflict of interest then what is?

Perhaps ex-LNP Chief of Staff Kieran Schneemann now serving as the head of the Government Affairs team at the Australian arm of AstraZeneca qualifies?

It's too bad Jeanette Young isn't one Scotty's advisors, we might have ended up with more Pfizer
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Old 7th Aug 2021, 08:43
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
It’s amazing how many well heeled folk in Politics are linked to big pharma. Queensland’s CMO Dr Jeanette Young’s husband is Professor Graeme Nimmo. He has served on advisory boards for Novartis, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Janssen-Cilag. If that isn’t a conflict of interest then what is?
Theres nothing conspiratorial about that. A CMO would be likely to be married to someone else in the medical field. Professor Nimmo is one of Australia’s best medical scientists, medical professors and has been on the top board in Australia for his chosen field for microbiology and drug resistance. He has published 130 peer reviewed papers. And at some point he has probably provided technical advice to a large range of pharmaceutical manufacturers.

Is it a big conspiracy that at some point the top regulators in Australian Aviation would’ve worked for an airline? No, so similarly nothing conspiratorial in this case.
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Old 7th Aug 2021, 22:06
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Given that apparently somewhere around 1 in 70,000-100,000 persons suffer a blood clot after taking Astra-Zeneca, I'm surprised that at least some research hasn't been communicated identifying those at greater risk of clots other than "you are at greater risk if you are under 60".

As hundreds of millions of AZ vaccines have been administered and thus a relatively large number of subsequent clots have occurred, I would have thought a trend would be identified by now, thus identifying those at greater risk and allowing greater 'minimal-risk' use of AZ in the community.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 02:56
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Any GP will tell you that as one ages the risk of a blood clot diminishes.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 03:19
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Seriously, the blood clot occurrence is minuscule, we have talked about it in relation to being struck by lightning or winning a lottery.

To put it in real perspective, women take the pill daily, you have between 1 in 3000 to 1 in 10,000 chance of a clot over a year of use depending on what method you use. If you are on the pill, then worrying about AZ giving you a clot or whatever is just nuts. Just conspiracy theory hackjobs spreading this crap.

Sitting at your computer for more than an hour a day will increase your risk of DVT significantly as well as sitting in a plane, watching excessive television, etc etc.

Stop making stupid excuses, get vaccinated.

If you are susceptible to clotting, due to family history or whatever, see your GP and get a vaccine that doesn't do that.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 04:14
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Why do you feel you have the right to tell others to get vaccinated?
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 04:59
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Specifically why do you have the right in this instance? If the poster has always been vaccinated before but has a bad feeling about these vaccines, perhaps that’s a function of the new media environment and the disastrous record of the health bureaucrats lately..hesitancy seems totally understandable these days
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 05:08
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Why do you feel you have the right to tell others to get vaccinated?
I can tell you what ever I want, you don't have to do it. If you are offended by being asked to get a jab for the greater good, then something inside you is conflicted.

Even if i had the power to 'order' you to vaccinate I would not, that is your choice.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 06:19
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What is the goal we are aiming for?? If this is a war..when have we won. The CDC is flat out saying that vaccinated people can carry the virus and infect others at a decent rate so I’m guessing with 100% vaccination the virus will still be around moving through the community, mutating and so forth. What then?
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 06:24
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Presumably many against the vaccine in here are airline pilots in Australia - I’ve got some bad news for you….
  • Tier one: workers who may come into close contact with a positive case, such as an airline worker or hotel quarantine worker
at very best you’ll be classified as tier 2. But that’s still workplaces like aged care, where workers are already required to be vaccinated to maintain their employment.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...cb208685c365aa
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 07:13
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post
Phase 3 trials are complete and approval has been given for the use of some vaccines, not all.
Safety monitoring continues until 2023 or 2022 depending on the manufacturer, Pfizer or Moderna. Safety monitoring is normal practice for all vaccines and does not constitute a trial per se.
As far as I can determine the trial phase is over, engaging a competent lawyer will help .
Trial dates....
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

Novel mRNA technology and (by definition) no long term safety data yet. Any pilot who can Notice, Understand & Think Ahead might want to conduct a very careful risk-benefit analysis before rushing into these vaccines, given the fragility of a Class 1 medical.

Personal risk from Covid-19 calculator:
https://www.qcovid.org/

Infection Fatality Rate of Covid-19 = ~0.15% (similar to influenza)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33768536/

Let's protect informed consent and not get carried away with hasty, gut reactions.

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Old 8th Aug 2021, 13:10
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No point having a class 1 medical if you have no job.
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Old 8th Aug 2021, 14:38
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Pfizer 1: Sore arm, tired and light headache. Lasted two days.
Pfizer 2, 6 weeks later. No side effects until day 3 when I had a bad round of diarrea.

My wife sleeps badly, and her side effect was good sleep for a week or so after Pfizer 1. Sore arm.
My son had flue like sympthom for a week or so after Pfizer 1.

We are grounded for 48 hrs after vaccination.
We don’t use the AZ vaccine after 0.003% of those vaccinated died from blood clots. The supply of Pfizer and Moderna is good enough to cover our need for vaccines.

More than 90% of those getting infected now are not vaccinated. Close to 70% of our population have had the first jab, 38 % both.
With 90% or better protection from the vaccines, they are doing what they are supposed to do.
The risk of getting infected is less than 10% if you get vaccinated, vs 90% or so for the non vaccinated. I would rather not fly with a colleague who is not vaccinated, but that is up to the company to decide, not me.

Several airlines now will not let you work if you don’t get vaccinated.

Our industry is dead if we don’t get this under control.

Mortality rate world wide:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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Old 8th Aug 2021, 21:49
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Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem View Post
We don’t use the AZ vaccine after 0.003% of those vaccinated died from blood clots.
Can I ask how you have calculated that percentage please?

The UK data of about 50 deaths from around 30.8 million doses administered would be 0.00016 percent. If you were to do a rudimentary conversion of doses administered to people fully vaccinated by dividing the former by two, the percentage rises to 0.00032 percent. The Australian data of seven deaths from 6.8 million doses administered yields 0.0001 percent of doses administered and 0.0002 percent of those fully vaccinated.

Might you be out by an order of magnitude?

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