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Old 9th Jul 2021, 00:56
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Originally Posted by 70 Mustang View Post
But after my second Pfizer shot, I have been having chest palpitations and periods of irregular heartbeat.
with the covid backlog, getting any clear diagnosis will take quite a while.
I called and described my symptoms and a visit was scheduled.
I went in for the visit and that doctor, quite young, did say that a wrist check of my heart beat was indeed a bit irregular. Blood pressure was all she checked and it was fine. She said she’d schedule an ecg and a blood test.
I went in for an ecg a week later and the f..er was on time and normal. I asked if they wanted me to do some exercise for a stress test and they said, no, they are limited to a 30 minute slot and much of it was used up with questions before getting wired up.
they keep asking if I am experiencing any chest pain. I have to say, no, but some very strange pounding which might be described as palpitations, but no pain.
I went in for the blood test and later that week, a different doctor said everything looked fine other than my cholesterol was a tad high. She said she’d arrange a consultation​​​​​.
I called back the same day, with a question that had arisen after my talking to her and thinking about what she had said.
another doctor called back later that evening saying things were not good with the blood test and that she is prescribing statins immediately. A bit concerned by the different interpretations of the same data.
phone consultation now scheduled for may 22.
I have asked each time for a 24 hour heart monitor but they keep saying, not yet. But if you feel any pain in your chest, call 111! Have a nice day!
frustrating that with each call and visit, it is a complete stranger.
no longer flying, difficult to afford a full private cardiac consultant.
again, no guarantee that this is related to the vaccine shots, but I have never had any cardio issue until after the second shot.
and not enough information yet, to rule out the only significant change that might be the major factor.
have been advised to say that there is “pain”
Jury still out on doing that just to get a bit more priority.
Hi 70 Mustang- So sorry to hear of your experience(s!). Any update on your situation; was there any proven link to the vaccine? Thanks!
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Old 9th Jul 2021, 04:57
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My Side effects weren’t too bad, just felt like I downed a carton of beer and woke up in a bush in someone’s garden, in the rain……
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Old 9th Jul 2021, 05:07
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My Side effects weren’t too bad, just felt like I downed a carton of beer and woke up in a bush in someone’s garden, in the rain……
Ahh, Sunday mornings from a misspent youth…..
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 08:18
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None of these vaccines have been approved. All of them have been given emergency use authorisation.
Legal liability out the window. A formal approval typically requires long term safety data ie a late stage phase 3 dataset. 3 to 5 years.
Clinical trial data presented as relative risk reductions with no real absolute risk reductions . An informed decision would require both. In fact that is now the accepted standard of reporting for any clinical trial of a new intervention.
Vaccine effectiveness from real world data in UK and Israel against Delta strain infection is ~ 70%
Apparently effectiveness against hospitalisation is ~ 90%.
But the hospitalisation rate as seen so far in an unvaccinated population is ~ 10%
So in a cohort of 100000 unvaccinated people assuming a 100% infection rate about 10000 would end up in hospital.
If the same group were vaccinated then about 30000 people would be infected and about 3000 would be in hospital.
So we all risk unknown potentially serious longer term health risks with vaccines so that we may reduce our chances of infection by 30% in a world of 100% infections, which we clearly don’t have,( the real risk reduction could be 1% who knows) with no real difference in our chance of hospitalisation.
If this thread is still going in 3 years I can only hope that we continue to report sore arms and aching muscles and nothing else.
And who knows maybe one or more of these vaccines are approved. Then again....maybe not.
Good luck to all.
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 09:10
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Originally Posted by common cents View Post
None of these vaccines have been approved. All of them have been given emergency use authorisation.
Legal liability out the window. A formal approval typically requires long term safety data ie a late stage phase 3 dataset. 3 to 5 years.
Clinical trial data presented as relative risk reductions with no real absolute risk reductions . An informed decision would require both. In fact that is now the accepted standard of reporting for any clinical trial of a new intervention.
Vaccine effectiveness from real world data in UK and Israel against Delta strain infection is ~ 70%
Apparently effectiveness against hospitalisation is ~ 90%.
But the hospitalisation rate as seen so far in an unvaccinated population is ~ 10%
So in a cohort of 100000 unvaccinated people assuming a 100% infection rate about 10000 would end up in hospital.
If the same group were vaccinated then about 30000 people would be infected and about 3000 would be in hospital.
So we all risk unknown potentially serious longer term health risks with vaccines so that we may reduce our chances of infection by 30% in a world of 100% infections, which we clearly don’t have,( the real risk reduction could be 1% who knows) with no real difference in our chance of hospitalisation.
If this thread is still going in 3 years I can only hope that we continue to report sore arms and aching muscles and nothing else.
And who knows maybe one or more of these vaccines are approved. Then again....maybe not.
Good luck to all.
Mods can we please delete all anti vaxxer nonsense?,

or at least make it a requirement that any anti vaxxer claim is backed up with evidence from a solid source and not taken out of context to push an agenda?

Vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxxer lies are only prolonging the pain in our industry.

I’m sick of seeing this rubbish continually being posted which has all been debunked dozens of times already.
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 10:13
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Mr Dre - can you post which bits were factually incorrect ?

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Old 15th Jul 2021, 10:29
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Mods can we please delete all anti vaxxer nonsense?,

or at least make it a requirement that any anti vaxxer claim is backed up with evidence from a solid source and not taken out of context to push an agenda?

Vaccine hesitancy and anti-vaxxer lies are only prolonging the pain in our industry.

I’m sick of seeing this rubbish continually being posted which has all been debunked dozens of times already.
I disagree with shutting down antivaxxers for the same reason I disagree with shutting down religious nutters. The more nonsense they spout the more that intelligent people are alerted to their presence in society. Those stupid enough to follow them eventually get culled by one means or another.
Well I remember back in early primary school, during a diphtheria epidemic two little twins died a horrible death because their moron Jehovah Witness parents would not have them vaccinated. Apparently Jo Ho’s reckon God takes care of these matters and we mere mortals must not mess with his grand plan, whatever that may be.
The twins’ parents ran a hardware store, which everyone then boycotted and so drove them out of business and out of town. I still remember red paint sprayed over their shop window, though don’t remember what was written. Something like ‘murderers’ I imagine.
In the current case of Covid antivaxxers, the punishment meted out by Mother Nature will be when they and/or their loved ones catch the disease, as they surely will.

Sorry... back to thread. Had 1st AZ and no ill-effects. Not even a sore arm. so maybe it was a placebo? 2nd shot next week. I will post here if the microchip blocks the flow to my genitals.

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Old 15th Jul 2021, 10:58
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Mach E Avelli,

The problem is the the tactics anti vaxxers use to trick people is they make their arguments just convincing enough to make people hesitant. If they out and out said “vaccines will make you grow a second head” most people would realise they are nuts.

What they do is dress up their arguments with what just appears to be enough credibility, by taking stats from official sources but using them out of context or not how the authors of the stats intended them to be used.

For instance the post I was replying to contained this statement:

None of these vaccines have been approved. All of them have been given emergency use authorisation.
Legal liability out the window. A formal approval typically requires long term safety data ie a late stage phase 3 dataset. 3 to 5 years.


Soundssort of official and like the poster knows what they’re talking about, right?

Wrong, it’s debunked nonsense:

Were COVID-19 vaccines rushed through approvals or given emergency use authorisations in Australia?

Unfortunately a lot of people can’t differentiate between the two, and even on this forum of supposedly professional pilots a lot of posters seem to regurgitate this stuff (assuming they are professional pilots).
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 11:22
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Why be so misleading yourself? You’re well informed on this stuff and know that in the land of the free, home of Pfizer, their vaccine only has Emergency abuse Authorization.

The vaccine is provisionally approved here.
Under what conditions will it receive full approval in either country? I would hazard a guess it will come after a few more years of safety data. The TGA and FDA have a wait and see approach, seems reasonable other people might too.

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepar...vid-19-vaccine

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Old 15th Jul 2021, 11:45
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Unfortunately a lot of people can’t differentiate between the two, and even on this forum of supposedly professional pilots a lot of posters seem to regurgitate this stuff (assuming they are professional pilots).
Surely you realise that professional pilots come in all shapes and sizes, atheist, agnostic and orthodox, intelligent, morally bankrupt and everything in between. Just because this is called a 'professional pilots' network doesn't make the website a go to address for correct information nor does the term convey any special powers of knowledge, social empathy or political astuteness amongst its users. I wouldn't expect a professional pilot to be a habitual drug user, alcoholic or manic depressive but that theory has long been blown out of the water. Attack the argument not the pilot.

But thanks for your work posting links and debunking.
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 03:47
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Mods can we please delete all anti vaxxer nonsense?,
We’ve all met individuals like you. Usually for the first time at school, running to the teacher and dobbing about some infraction or other.

Most of these kids grow up. Some don’t, and still run to authority whingeing and sooking because somebody said something they didn’t like. Individuals like you feel they are entitled to dictate to others what they may read and discuss.
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 05:50
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I just don't get it. You trust science to make aeroplanes fly, but not to make vaccines work.

I'm an expert in my field. I rely on the science of countless aeronautical engineers, structural engineers, powerplant engineers (you get the drift) to tell me how to operate an aeroplane. I'm the end user of a shit ton of science and I apply it accordingly. Passengers don't get to dictate what I do, even though it's their safety on the line.

If medical experts tell me to go and get vaccinated, that's what I'll do, and that's what we should all do.
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 06:55
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Just to get back on-topic…

Had the 1st AZ 4 days ago, 2nd due in ~5 weeks. 1st 12hrs, nada, felt fine. Then got chills, restless sleep, woke up feeling like I had a low-grade flu, no energy. Injection site felt like a bruise.

Next day, sorted, all good. Injection site still a little tender.

Overall, nothing to report here. A non-event. Nothing to fear. Grateful to have a level of protection against this nasty disease, for myself & my family.
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Mach E Avelli,

The problem is the the tactics anti vaxxers use to trick people is they make their arguments just convincing enough to make people hesitant. If they out and out said “vaccines will make you grow a second head” most people would realise they are nuts.

What they do is dress up their arguments with what just appears to be enough credibility, by taking stats from official sources but using them out of context or not how the authors of the stats intended them to be used.

For instance the post I was replying to contained this statement:

None of these vaccines have been approved. All of them have been given emergency use authorisation.
Legal liability out the window. A formal approval typically requires long term safety data ie a late stage phase 3 dataset. 3 to 5 years.


Soundssort of official and like the poster knows what they’re talking about, right?

Wrong, it’s debunked nonsense:

Were COVID-19 vaccines rushed through approvals or given emergency use authorisations in Australia?

Unfortunately a lot of people can’t differentiate between the two, and even on this forum of supposedly professional pilots a lot of posters seem to regurgitate this stuff (assuming they are professional pilots).
As for flying a specific aircraft; your first job is to read the owner’s instruction manual. Here is Pfizer’s : http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabel...472&format=pdf

“The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.
The FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).“

”Serious and unexpected side effects may occur. Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is still being studied in clinical trials.”

Conclusion: your body, your choice. If anything happens then you’re on your own and nobody will care (not even the government).

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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
I just don't get it. You trust science to make aeroplanes fly, but not to make vaccines work.

I'm an expert in my field. I rely on the science of countless aeronautical engineers, structural engineers, powerplant engineers (you get the drift) to tell me how to operate an aeroplane. I'm the end user of a shit ton of science and I apply it accordingly. Passengers don't get to dictate what I do, even though it's their safety on the line.

If medical experts tell me to go and get vaccinated, that's what I'll do, and that's what we should all do.
Tell that to all those that perished in the De Havilland Comet.
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Originally Posted by RMP2 View Post
As for flying a specific aircraft; your first job is to read the owner’s instruction manual. Here is Pfizer’s : http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabel...472&format=pdf

“The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.
The FDA has authorized the emergency use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).“

”Serious and unexpected side effects may occur. Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is still being studied in clinical trials.”

Conclusion: your body, your choice. If anything happens then you’re on your own and nobody will care (not even the government).
Except if you dig deeper in the Pfizer information you will find it has provisional approval in Australia but still your choice.
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Tell that to all those that perished in the De Havilland Comet.
If you're going to be that ludicrous, what about the 737 MAX? Aviation technology is now far more advanced but over three times as many died.
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Boeing is a microcosm of America in general. All their talented engineers retired..no new talent was trained..innovation and expertise is not as important as diversity and inclusion in the workplace. Everything is outsourced from overseas. Boeing can’t get raw material from inside the USA anymore. Share buybacks and creative accounting has hollowed out the company. They couldn’t make a cleansheet design if they wanted to. Company culture has made it career limiting to criticise internal processes.
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Old 16th Jul 2021, 10:08
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Originally Posted by On eyre View Post
Except if you dig deeper in the Pfizer information you will find it has provisional approval in Australia but still your choice.
I think you will find that the TGA do not have a protocol for emergency use authorisation. Thats probably why they use a provisional approval as per the Therapeutic Goods Act.
Seems to me to operate in the same way as the emergency use authorisation for all intents and purposes. Its pretty clear that we all have the choice to use an experimental vaccine or take our chances with the real deal. I don't know what it all means but there are now more than 45000 new cases in the United Kingdom a day with about 40 percent in vaccinated people. They are about to open everything up and roll the dice. Maybe that's what we should have done from the outset.
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WHO are reporting side effects to the Pfizer vaccine include, swelling around the heart, arrhythmia, high blood pressure. I’m not posting this to scare people off getting vaccinated, but to make pilots aware that if they get vaccinated and then do their medical within a few months they might ring the blood pressure bell, like I just did…..off to the the specialist for a stress echo test I go!!!
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