Qantas...Post COVID
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Has Qantas ordered the A350?
When was Mainline's last order? Oh, that's right December 2005, for the 787.
I don't know how this thread has diverged into Single Pilot A350 ops...but I seriously doubt this is going to be a factor for QF in the next 10 years, considering how risk adverse the QF Group and CASA are.
When was Mainline's last order? Oh, that's right December 2005, for the 787.
I don't know how this thread has diverged into Single Pilot A350 ops...but I seriously doubt this is going to be a factor for QF in the next 10 years, considering how risk adverse the QF Group and CASA are.
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How about a remake of "2001 Space Odyssey" that should scare the crap out of passengers.
Capt: Computer I'm off to the lav, you have control.
Comp: OK Capt I have control.
Capt: Computer I have fished up here you can let me in now password is ........
Comp: Sorry Capt I can't do that.
Capt: I'm the Capt let me in.
Comp: Sorry Capt you said I have control and that's what I have been programmed to do.
I have also disabled the flight deck door unlocking mechanism.
to be continued
Capt: Computer I'm off to the lav, you have control.
Comp: OK Capt I have control.
Capt: Computer I have fished up here you can let me in now password is ........
Comp: Sorry Capt I can't do that.
Capt: I'm the Capt let me in.
Comp: Sorry Capt you said I have control and that's what I have been programmed to do.
I have also disabled the flight deck door unlocking mechanism.
to be continued
How about a remake of "2001 Space Odyssey" that should scare the crap out of passengers.
Capt: Computer I'm off to the lav, you have control.
Comp: OK Capt I have control.
Capt: Computer I have fished up here you can let me in now password is ........
Comp: Sorry Capt I can't do that.
Capt: I'm the Capt let me in.
Comp: Sorry Capt you said I have control and that's what I have been programmed to do.
I have also disabled the flight deck door unlocking mechanism.
to be continued
Capt: Computer I'm off to the lav, you have control.
Comp: OK Capt I have control.
Capt: Computer I have fished up here you can let me in now password is ........
Comp: Sorry Capt I can't do that.
Capt: I'm the Capt let me in.
Comp: Sorry Capt you said I have control and that's what I have been programmed to do.
I have also disabled the flight deck door unlocking mechanism.
to be continued
I don't see it as ever being one single pilot alone even though it's do-able. I do see the FO being a self contained robot. The hardest part of robotics is mobility, since it will be permanently seated that's not an issue. The rest has already been done, it just needs to evolve to the specific task. Because data is sharable from the Captains perspective it'll be like flying with the same robot every time.
10 years away I think and we'll start to see that as a happening thing.
10 years away I think and we'll start to see that as a happening thing.
Some of the guys I’ve flown with retired flying the one jet for their entire career.
Something tells me I’ll still be flying this jet for the rest of my career too.
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Hmmm, single pilot. Let's just brush aside without comment or consideration from a regulatory viewpoint, single pilot uncontrolled rest.. Has happened many times in the dual situation , activation electrodes next? Ha Ha. Heven forbid.
You guys are safe, it wont be a retrofit, new aircraft will be designed that way, single human pilot on the flight deck with no need to enter the cabin area at all. Sleeping lounge below for the resting crew member. I think Airbus is preparing us for it, prove it can be done single pilot so there is less argument with a much more sophisticated pilot. The flight deck is there for the human pilots benefit and as redundancy, but the robot won't need to look at and interpret any of the flight instruments. It has all that capability within itself and is self contained.
Imagine if we humans were able to see and know everything you need in our 3 dimensional environment without having to look at it.
Imagine if we humans were able to see and know everything you need in our 3 dimensional environment without having to look at it.
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It doesn’t surprise me that ‘single flight deck operations’ has come up again. AI is being developed at an exponential rate. The corporate world see that as a means to remove the human interface. This logic also applies to risk management and predictive algorithms. The problem is, some intellects are hedging their bets that AI is ultimately smarter than a human being. Sure, there are some things that a computer can do faster but a computer doesn’t have a conscience, gut instinct or is able to smell or feel a problem at times before a human can. Even Elon Musk, love him or hate him, has said that AI is growing a rate of great concern.
I do get the point, but I'd FAR rather have AI in AJ's position than AJ - but I certainly wouldn't trust him on any flight deck.
100% it will come. Sooner rather than later. When elevators became operator less, there was a huge back lash from the elevator operators - strikes etc. Execs stating they would use the stairs rather than an elevator without a human etc. Fast forward to today- If you saw an elevator operator in your building you would be bemused. The technology is definitely getting there for single pilot airline ops (and not much further on from that completely autonomous).
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Claim of misguided Covid advice sparks legal action against Qantas
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...fd6a2d573ba49e
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...fd6a2d573ba49e
Qantas advised cleaning staff in the early days of the pandemic that the virus could be transmitted only between people who shared a bed, and it could not survive for long on surfaces, the Transport Workers Union claims.
The misguided advice forms part of a new lawsuit brought by the union against the airline over the treatment of a cleaner who refused to service aircraft returning from China.
According to a statement of claim lodged in the Fair Work Commission, the part-time worker and union representative began receiving complaints from co-workers about the health risks posed by those flights in late January 2020.
When some of the cleaners *refused to board planes that had carried Chinese passengers, he told management at Qantas Ground Services they were within their rights to do so under the Workplace Health and Safety Act. The next day, a doctor engaged by Qantas addressed a meeting at QGS, telling those present it was very difficult for Covid-19 to be passed from one human to another unless they lived together, and shared utensils and a bed.
According to the cleaner’s recollection of the meeting, the doctor also claimed Covid-19 did not last long on surfaces.
When the cleaner escalated the matter by posting on a workplace Facebook group that there was a major risk to the extent the government had closed the border with China and workers had a legislative right to refuse unsafe work, he was called into a meeting with managers.
It was then decided to stand down the cleaner while an internal investigation was undertaken as he was “causing anxiety to workers”.
Qantas asserted the decision was made because the cleaner had tried to incite unprotected industrial action, and he should have known he was not authorised to direct other workers not to service aircraft from China.
The TWU’s statement of claim said the investigation into the cleaner’s conduct failed to progress, and then Qantas announced plans to outsource all its ground-handling operations.
As a result, the cleaner was made redundant and the investigation abandoned, leaving him “distressed, upset and anxious”.
In response to his treatment, the TWU claimed Qantas had taken prohibited adverse action by preventing him from exercising his rights as a health and safety representative, and sought relief in the form of compensation for “economic and non-economic loss”.
The union also asked that the commission impose a penalty on Qantas for “contraventions of the Fair Work Act” with any penalties levied to be paid to the TWU.
Qantas was expected to defend the allegations, pointing out there was not a single positive Covid case on flights back from China.
“We know this through extensive contract tracing done by health authorities at the time,” said a Qantas spokesman.
It is the latest in a string of lawsuits brought by the TWU against Qantas, relating to JobKeeper payments, sick leave entitlements and outsourcing.
In a recent judgment, the Federal Court ruled the outsourcing of 2000 ground-handling workers by Qantas was based on a prohibited reason, namely, concern they would strike in 2021 during enterprise negotiations.
The misguided advice forms part of a new lawsuit brought by the union against the airline over the treatment of a cleaner who refused to service aircraft returning from China.
According to a statement of claim lodged in the Fair Work Commission, the part-time worker and union representative began receiving complaints from co-workers about the health risks posed by those flights in late January 2020.
When some of the cleaners *refused to board planes that had carried Chinese passengers, he told management at Qantas Ground Services they were within their rights to do so under the Workplace Health and Safety Act. The next day, a doctor engaged by Qantas addressed a meeting at QGS, telling those present it was very difficult for Covid-19 to be passed from one human to another unless they lived together, and shared utensils and a bed.
According to the cleaner’s recollection of the meeting, the doctor also claimed Covid-19 did not last long on surfaces.
When the cleaner escalated the matter by posting on a workplace Facebook group that there was a major risk to the extent the government had closed the border with China and workers had a legislative right to refuse unsafe work, he was called into a meeting with managers.
It was then decided to stand down the cleaner while an internal investigation was undertaken as he was “causing anxiety to workers”.
Qantas asserted the decision was made because the cleaner had tried to incite unprotected industrial action, and he should have known he was not authorised to direct other workers not to service aircraft from China.
The TWU’s statement of claim said the investigation into the cleaner’s conduct failed to progress, and then Qantas announced plans to outsource all its ground-handling operations.
As a result, the cleaner was made redundant and the investigation abandoned, leaving him “distressed, upset and anxious”.
In response to his treatment, the TWU claimed Qantas had taken prohibited adverse action by preventing him from exercising his rights as a health and safety representative, and sought relief in the form of compensation for “economic and non-economic loss”.
The union also asked that the commission impose a penalty on Qantas for “contraventions of the Fair Work Act” with any penalties levied to be paid to the TWU.
Qantas was expected to defend the allegations, pointing out there was not a single positive Covid case on flights back from China.
“We know this through extensive contract tracing done by health authorities at the time,” said a Qantas spokesman.
It is the latest in a string of lawsuits brought by the TWU against Qantas, relating to JobKeeper payments, sick leave entitlements and outsourcing.
In a recent judgment, the Federal Court ruled the outsourcing of 2000 ground-handling workers by Qantas was based on a prohibited reason, namely, concern they would strike in 2021 during enterprise negotiations.
100% it will come. Sooner rather than later. When elevators became operator less,
Yeah because elevators are just like aeroplanes...... When did autoland first get approved and when did Australia approve it? Humans had the technology to go to the moon and back in 1969 (technically 1968 without the landing bit) and yet here we are 50 years later still trying to reinvent the wheel. Just because technology exists doesn't automatically mean that it is going to be adopted on a scale that will make fundamental changes to the way flying is conducted. With the conservative approach taken to getting new technology certified in aviation then it will definitely be later rather than sooner before single pilot and zero pilot airliners are crossing vast amounts of international airspace. On top of that the planet is going to be cooked by 2030 according to the UN and air travel is going to have a lot more to worry about than replacing two biological, non-binary autopilots with their digital AI equivalents.
Indeed it does and validates both Marxism and Asimovs fourth law, if we are determined to cause our own extinction.
There's a movie titled "I AM MOTHER" which depicts that principle, worth a watch because it's relevant to todays technology.
There's a movie titled "I AM MOTHER" which depicts that principle, worth a watch because it's relevant to todays technology.
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These kids on this clip pretty much sums it up as well back in 1966. Atomic bombs, robots taking over, ice ages, living squashed, etc.
They look to be speaking their own mind, very much more articulate than todays kids and without social phone devices.
My comment was firmly with my tongue in my cheek! All that movie highlights is what anti-nuclear, anti-vaxxer doomsday merchants looked like when they were at school. You do realise that they are the very boomers that you despise now for their wealth and free ride on society.
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Much sooner?
Where's the navigator, radio operator and flight engineer?
In (most of) our lifetimes if someone had said that we'll be flying airplanes over the Pacific without a flight engineer they would have been thought crazy.
Heck, I can remember when we had flight engineers 'shooting the stars' on Christmas Island flights.
Possibly not our kids, but our grandkids will think nothing of getting in an airplane and seeing a flight attendant at the FAP entering..
FROM..YSSY T1 Gate 34 TO EGLL T3 Gate 29..GO
Where's the navigator, radio operator and flight engineer?
In (most of) our lifetimes if someone had said that we'll be flying airplanes over the Pacific without a flight engineer they would have been thought crazy.
Heck, I can remember when we had flight engineers 'shooting the stars' on Christmas Island flights.
Possibly not our kids, but our grandkids will think nothing of getting in an airplane and seeing a flight attendant at the FAP entering..
FROM..YSSY T1 Gate 34 TO EGLL T3 Gate 29..GO
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..and all this speculation about single pilot ops has what to do with Qantas Post Covid? Yeah, thought so...nothing
Start up another thread if you want to discuss this.
Start up another thread if you want to discuss this.