Qantas...Post COVID
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I’m not defending the company. I’m trying to take the principle that Flightdeck is espousing through to it’s natural conclusion and pointing out the issues that arise.
When someone puts forward a pipe dream outcome that hasn’t a hope in Hades of getting up and I question the logic or principle under pinning the pipe dream that is actually representing the interests of all the pilots- including those pilots who are standing up on a rotational basis.
A RIN may not be the best outcome and could create more problems than it solves. There are other solutions possible. Some of these solutions were being discussed late last year. They no longer are.
I’ve asked the questions. The answers tend not to be reported in insights. I’m not going to blaze away on here when it’s not my place. People can call me if they like- I’ve had a bunch already.
Not a line I’ve put forward. However I still maintain that a RIN may not be in the interest of the majority of pilots and that there are other potential solutions that could be considered.
This number is incorrect. It’s about 25% less than that. Included in those training courses are a fair number of A380 and 747 pilots who will now have some window seat flying. Fantastic outcome for them. They are going to fleets who are currently not in surplus*. A RIN of the A380 adds a further 200+ pilots. The remaining 747 RIN slots (most of whom start courses on the A330 or 787 within the next month or two) is another 65ish. 11 are waiting for the A380.
* Technically the LH fleets are for the current flying but not for the ‘normal’ establishment.
A RIN may not be the best outcome and could create more problems than it solves. There are other solutions possible. Some of these solutions were being discussed late last year. They no longer are.
Qantas are running around 150 training courses from old vacancies.They should of cancelled the courses if they were in difficulty.
This number is incorrect. It’s about 25% less than that. Included in those training courses are a fair number of A380 and 747 pilots who will now have some window seat flying. Fantastic outcome for them. They are going to fleets who are currently not in surplus*. A RIN of the A380 adds a further 200+ pilots. The remaining 747 RIN slots (most of whom start courses on the A330 or 787 within the next month or two) is another 65ish. 11 are waiting for the A380.
* Technically the LH fleets are for the current flying but not for the ‘normal’ establishment.
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PS: the only A380 category that go even close to being considered ‘in surplus’ would be the S/Os. And perhaps only 20-30 of them. If they keep talking about all 12 jets coming back that number gets smaller.
Will they need the 380 at all?
AJ is keen as mustard to get the party started. offering free flights for a year for 10 families of 4. Lets see JH come to the party or Mr turner throw a carrot. This is not going to happen unless we all get the jab. May NSW should of held off with those vouchers, imagine the uptake of the vaccine if they were the carrot.
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AJ is keen as mustard to get the party started. offering free flights for a year for 10 families of 4. Lets see JH come to the party or Mr turner throw a carrot. This is not going to happen unless we all get the jab. May NSW should of held off with those vouchers, imagine the uptake of the vaccine if they were the carrot.
These arseholes are making it up as they go. We need to learn to live with it, to manage the virus. I had truly hoped that with a fourth lockdown the entire state of Victoria would have protested en masse and taken to the streets, in fact taken back the streets. The politicians remain financially cocooned from the financial mess that has been inflicted on the rest of the population. Enough is enough.
How about the Federal and State Governments be made to financially compensate every Australian? It is they who are responsible for closing borders which in turn is resulting in many many people losing their jobs, their businesses, their houses and their financial nest eggs, and in many cases their financial futures. The Guvmint has no issue spending hundreds of billions of dollars on armoury and they have no issue with ‘printing more paper money’ so why shouldn’t we be compensated financially.
These arseholes are making it up as they go. We need to learn to live with it, to manage the virus. I had truly hoped that with a fourth lockdown the entire state of Victoria would have protested en masse and taken to the streets, in fact taken back the streets. The politicians remain financially cocooned from the financial mess that has been inflicted on the rest of the population. Enough is enough.
These arseholes are making it up as they go. We need to learn to live with it, to manage the virus. I had truly hoped that with a fourth lockdown the entire state of Victoria would have protested en masse and taken to the streets, in fact taken back the streets. The politicians remain financially cocooned from the financial mess that has been inflicted on the rest of the population. Enough is enough.
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Simple solution available SHVC , keep the diagnostic PCR cycle (Ct) thresholds to less than 28 cycles as stated by the inventor of the system , rather than the 40-50 cycles presently being implemented and 95% of your (false) positive diagnoses disappear , the Covid hysteria ends , the forced experimental mRNA gene therapy vaccines no longer required and we can all begin to get back to normal !
Simple solution available SHVC , keep the diagnostic PCR cycle (Ct) thresholds to less than 28 cycles as stated by the inventor of the system , rather than the 40-50 cycles presently being implemented and 95% of your (false) positive diagnoses disappear , the Covid hysteria ends , the forced experimental mRNA gene therapy vaccines no longer required and we can all begin to get back to normal !
Mullins died before COVID even existed. There is bupkis evidence that he stated a cycle limit of 28 for the Ct thresholds in the context of COVID. Ct values up to 45 are frequently used as a threshold or detection of HIV. I assume you're aware that your precious Mullis denied that Aids was caused by HIV whilst we're on the subject?
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/e...cle-thresholds
Independent statistical analysis of confirmed hospital cases demonstrate Ct's well into the 30's.
https://www.dovepress.com/cycle-thre...t-article-RMHP
As for 'covid hysteria' and 'no vaccines required', feel free to move to India and let me know how that works out for you. I'm sure its all in their imaginations.
This is conspiracy theory nonsense propagated by an accomplished idiot and should be deleted post haste out of this forum. Now, off with you, no doubt you've got 5g towers to sabotage in the defense against the Lizard people.
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Alliance are training and expanding. Qantas have also chosen not to cancel over 100 training vacancies from 2019 and instead defer and train. The majority of these have not gone to 380 pilots. Qantas are not in a position to say they can't afford training.
Keg's position is clear that he believes senior pilots should remain stood down and no RIN or movement should occur. It clearly supports his individual position which is fine, but pretending he has the interests of those most affected at heart is disingenuous.
Keg's position is clear that he believes senior pilots should remain stood down and no RIN or movement should occur. It clearly supports his individual position which is fine, but pretending he has the interests of those most affected at heart is disingenuous.
"With early retirement and people taking leave without pay, we actually have scale to crew six of the aircraft," Joyce told Executive Travellerearlier this month.
"If they do come back in when we expect them, at the end of 2023, we'll activate the first six aircraft very rapidly because we’ll have the pilots to do it."
"If they do come back in when we expect them, at the end of 2023, we'll activate the first six aircraft very rapidly because we’ll have the pilots to do it."
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Do you recall who it was that was advocating a lower MGH if it meant we could move crew across from the A380 to the A330 and carry them as a surplus? There weren’t many others advocating for that outcome. There were some caveats to that plan to make it palatable for the A330 pilots (who were going to be the ones needing to vote the variation up and were going to be the ones taking a hit beyond what they may have otherwise). Where is that discussion at these days? Why hasn’t that been progressed?
There are also a couple of other ideas being looked at that I’m aware ofl- that I’m supportive of as well- but your characterisation of my position that ‘senior pilots should remain stood down and no RIN or movement should occur’ is so false as to be laughable.
Very close to the mark as to just one of the options.
So why did Qantas defer over 100 training positions from as far back as 2019 when they knew they would have many 747 and 380 pilots on long term stand down? Would have avoided 90% of a RIN even being needed or contemplated.
Qantas are not going to be able to keep pilots stood down till it's the optimum commercial timepoint for Qantas.
Qantas are not going to be able to keep pilots stood down till it's the optimum commercial timepoint for Qantas.
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More than 1/3 of those deferred courses were listed as going to A380 or 747 crew who had bid for them in that training year.
You feel the other 60ish slots should have been cancelled? Or cancel them all? Of course if you cancel them all the 737 F/O going to the A330 doesn’t go which means the A380 S/O taking the 737 F/O course is no longer needed. I think we’d end up in the same practical outcome perhaps? Qantas just waits a bit longer to fill the A330 F/O vacancy.
Of course they are, who’s going to stop them?
Well when borders are open again it looks more like a commercial decision to keep crew stood down. There’s two issues that arise from that.
1. All crew should be pressuring their local members about a timeline for this. Vaccine roll out and unrestricted borders* is the major factor in getting people back flying more quickly.
2. Lack of travel restrictions changes the legal dynamics behind the stand down.
Other ideas will get a few people back in seats doing some flying in the interim (or perhaps no flying but some income) but it’s tinkering around the edges compared to freeing up travel again.
(*substantially unrestricted. Obviously we may fly some places earlier than others).
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Of course. However moving pilots onto a fleet with some flying and then diluting that by another 1/3 comes a long second to getting borders open more quickly and having a significantly larger amount of flying to share around.
Would it be safe to say QF international is dead for the foreseeable future? I mean, think about it Feds have no intention on opening our international border for many many yrs if they’re willing to contribute 200 million into Victoria’s quarantine facility, QLD have just had their 300 million faculty rejected due to changes the feds want. I’m sure it will get approved at some point tho.
Im thinking 2022 is a pipe dream and untill world elimination of Covid we will be seeing borders closed and state wide lockdowns over 1 case.
Im thinking 2022 is a pipe dream and untill world elimination of Covid we will be seeing borders closed and state wide lockdowns over 1 case.