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Old 13th Aug 2021, 03:15
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Originally Posted by Wingspar View Post
It will be good to have someone in there who will understand the pilots point of view.
Thats not to say we will get our way but at least someone will understand the language.
I see it as a positive.
Me too - never had an issue with AIPA guys moving to the company.
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Old 13th Aug 2021, 06:09
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Originally Posted by Wingspar View Post
It will be good to have someone in there who will understand the pilots point of view.
Thats not to say we will get our way but at least someone will understand the language.
I see it as a positive.
"Understand our Language"...as in sign here, or we will set up a Contract Company?
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Old 13th Aug 2021, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
"Understand our Language"...as in sign here, or we will set up a Contract Company?
I'm sure you meant 'and' instead of 'or'...
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Old 14th Aug 2021, 03:24
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Originally Posted by V-Jet View Post
I'm sure you meant 'and' instead of 'or'...
Touche...works domestically, why not give international a go...
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Old 14th Aug 2021, 06:52
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Are QF stopping the Alliance E-Jets doing ADL - ASP - DRW now that the 737s aren’t working flat out? The original media release said:

The use of E190s will also free up Qantas’ Boeing 737 aircraft to be redeployed across the domestic network.”

I assume the 737s that are unable to fly to SYD or MEL due lockdowns will take back their original routes again?

I’m sure QF management wouldn’t stand down 737 and 717 (isn’t their head office in ADL?) crew while a contractor was flying under the Qantas call sign?
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Old 14th Aug 2021, 23:37
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Are QF stopping the Alliance E-Jets doing ADL - ASP - DRW now that the 737s aren’t working flat out? The original media release said:

The use of E190s will also free up Qantas’ Boeing 737 aircraft to be redeployed across the domestic network.”

I assume the 737s that are unable to fly to SYD or MEL due lockdowns will take back their original routes again?

I’m sure QF management wouldn’t stand down 737 and 717 (isn’t their head office in ADL?) crew while a contractor was flying under the Qantas call sign?
Think the chances of that happening are about the same as the chances of ASP or DRW having snow today.
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Old 14th Aug 2021, 23:55
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It's pretty despicable that contractors are allowed to take this kind of work in Australia. Why don't we have scope clauses in our contracts like in the USA? Anything bigger than a Q400 should be flown by mainline pilots to stop this continuous undercutting.
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Old 15th Aug 2021, 00:15
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Brakerider…

You must be new here.

Pilots & contracts in the USA got ‘scope’ clauses in the ‘60s. By the time pilots in Oz realised that it might be a good idea, management had the firmly-entrenched mindset that ‘scope’ would NEVER be countenanced here! I’ve been told that Qantas pilots, in the ‘90s, once offered substantial offsets to gain ‘scope’ and were firmly rebuffed at the time.

One could say that we now know why.
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Old 15th Aug 2021, 01:39
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Would make a good article in the newspaper:

“Contract Pilots Flying Kangaroo Routes Whilst Qantas Pilots Stood Down”

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Old 15th Aug 2021, 07:50
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Adding to the theme of scummy behaviour, 3/5 of the 717 bases are being stood down from tomorrow whilst 14 new pilots continue to be started this month on full pay.
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Old 16th Aug 2021, 02:32
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Originally Posted by JoeTripodi View Post
Adding to the theme of scummy behaviour, 3/5 of the 717 bases are being stood down from tomorrow whilst 14 new pilots continue to be started this month on full pay.

But in the interests of providing the whole story:

Those pilots wont actually be line training. They are starting ground/sim training and will stood down if required as happened to new hires last year.
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Old 16th Aug 2021, 02:37
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Originally Posted by Lapon View Post
But in the interests of providing the whole story:

Those pilots wont actually be line training. They are starting ground/sim training and will stood down if required as happened to new hires last year.
New starts are on training pay?
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Old 16th Aug 2021, 03:35
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Not sure how you can justify an addition of new staff AFTER standing down other existing staff within the same company. There is no training pay they start on the same as pay as a checked to line FO.
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Old 16th Aug 2021, 05:42
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Originally Posted by JoeTripodi View Post
Not sure how you can justify an addition of new staff AFTER standing down other existing staff within the same company. There is no training pay they start on the same as pay as a checked to line FO.
Because existing line pilots do not need to do ground/sim training over the coming weeks/months.
Halting new starts would do nothing to help the existing line pilots who have no/minimal line flying to do.

Now if initial line training was being conducted while leaving existing crews stood down that would be a concern, however I am led to believe that's not the case, nor was it last year.
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Old 16th Aug 2021, 06:39
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Originally Posted by Lapon View Post
Because existing line pilots do not need to do ground/sim training over the coming weeks/months.
Halting new starts would do nothing to help the existing line pilots who have no/minimal line flying to do.

Now if initial line training was being conducted while leaving existing crews stood down that would be a concern, however I am led to believe that's not the case, nor was it last year.
Lapon the company has already indicated that if there is some flying to be done in Melbourne or Brisbane then these new hires will remain stood up whilst other bases and pilots within those 2 bases are stood down. Sounds like you are drinking too much Kool Aid
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Old 16th Aug 2021, 06:43
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Not sure how you can justify an addition of new staff AFTER standing down other existing staff within the same company. There is no training pay they start on the same as pay as a checked to line FO.
Airlines are looking at the world and seeing exploding growth of flights. However the issue here is they may never get that opportunity as the State Governments do their best to destroy the country and bankrupt everyone in the process.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 06:03
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Covid has only served to accelerate the demise of Mainline. Qantas goal in the last 30 years is to destroy Union influence, outsource as many Services as possible, casualise the workforce and if they are unable to do these things, grow external entities to "consume" what was operated under Legacy Conditions (think Swissair/ Menzies/ Alliance/ Network).. The Cost Savings achieved have not been re-invested in the Mainline Product- eg the last mainline aircraft order was December 2005 (787)- and not even returned to shareholders, but has been used to en-richen the Elite Management few, and has been used to in injecting funds into the Jetstar Asia/ Vietnam/ Japan. (return on capital anyone?).
Post covid, with the long term reduction in business travel, it will only be worse. Despite the Company spruiking that the 737 will "be redeployed to other services" the Alliance operated ADL-ASP-DRW is the thin edge of the latest wedge.The VX 737's are over 20 years old, they will NOT be replaced one for one, there will be a small order of 73 Max or A320/ 321 mix to replace around 35 aircraft, who knows when and you only have to look at the quote by the COO to wonder who will operate them.
As for long haul the A350 will be ideal in the post-covid world, but the longer they at least commit to an order..
A380..who knows, but if it doesn't operate again there will be a massive RIN, and probably another VR (hopefully no CR..)
Add into the mix the requirement for an A330 replacement in the next 5-10 years (can anyone confirm that 4 are to be made freighters??).

Anyway, if 30 odd years in QF has taught me anything- management will look after themselves (apparently the current 737 could have been avoided, but AD/AJ insisted) and for the rest of us..the future is as clear as koolaid.

Look after yourselves people, ring/ text your mates, because as the Yammer episode shows- the Company couldn't give a stuff.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 06:20
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I'd be quite happy just to get CR'd now and get out of the place.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 07:49
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Not going to happen but if jetstar offered me something reasonable then my ASIC, Ipad and Hi-vis would be handed in and I would be out the door quicker than a paratrooper on D-Day.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 08:27
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
Not going to happen but if jetstar offered me something reasonable then my ASIC, Ipad and Hi-vis would be handed in and I would be out the door quicker than a paratrooper on D-Day.
Reasonable….and what would that be for you sir? Long time QF pilot it might not be up your ally.
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