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Old 10th Aug 2021, 09:01
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As if a plane could do without two pilots! I still think they should have navigators and flight engineers. Hell, Iím worried about the safety reduction in not having a radio operator.

Wonder why we donít have them?

It doesnít even need to be AI, whatía one of the things you do when thereís an engineering fault? Call ground engineers who have up to date info on aircraft systems. You could very easily have a ground pilot to assist with workload for those first 5 mins.
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Old 10th Aug 2021, 10:27
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
AJ will be long gone before project sunrise departs or single pilot jets ever arrive. QF will be fighting for survival for the next few yrs.
Agreed. As the Ďpandemicí continues to bite into company profits I would say that things will get to a point where AJ doesnít have many rocks left to overturn looking for pennies. And with limited options left with a dwindling profit base and a huge ego to maintain he will bail with his giant nest egg.
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Old 10th Aug 2021, 23:18
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Agreed. The next few years will be very lean for all involved in airlines.

There is an ex Australia Post CEO floating around that could fill the impending gap.

WATCH this space!.

MCD

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Old 11th Aug 2021, 07:57
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Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla View Post
Agreed. The next few years will be very lean for all involved in airlines.

There is an ex Australia Post CEO floating around that could fill the impending gap.

WATCH this space!.

MCD
No way is the job of Qantas Group CEO going to somebody who's not only from outside the airline but has no experience in the airline industry. Yes, I know this doesn't apply to all airlines, eg Air New Zealand has done well with its current and previous CEO picks, the idea is that the CEO needs to be a great exec and leader although still understand the people below them to 'get' the actual airline business.

But I have no doubt that Gareth Evans will follow Alan Joyce as CEO. Evans was former CFO, and Qantas seems to hold command of numbers in very very high esteem, then he moved to be CEO of Qantas International so he could get actual 'operating an airline' experience, then he moved over to Jetstar CEO which is where he is today so that he could show ability to run an entire airline and 'self-contained' business. And I can bet that Evans popped the champagne when Jayne Hrdlicka upped and left after moving from Jetstar CEO to Qantas Frequent Flyer CEO, when she headed off to NZ for A2 Milk, because she was chomping at the bit to be a CEO, but her leaving took Evans' only real internal competitor off the board.

So my take is that Alan Joyce will be followed by Gareth Evans, Olivia Wirth will move from being CEO of Qantas Loyalty to running either QF Cargo or JQ as a way of getting actual airline experience , and sure, former OzPost CEO Christine Holgate could be drafted in as CEO of Qantas Loyalty do 'introduce' her to the Qantas machine, but she'd still need to get actual running an airline experience before the Qantas board would offer her the CEO's chair.


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Old 11th Aug 2021, 08:45
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Talking

That was an attempt at humour.

I obviously need to re calibrate my material.

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Old 11th Aug 2021, 08:52
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Originally Posted by MelbourneFlyer View Post
No way is the job of Qantas Group CEO going to somebody who's not only from outside the airline but has no experience in the airline industry. Yes, I know this doesn't apply to all airlines, eg Air New Zealand has done well with its current and previous CEO picks, the idea is that the CEO needs to be a great exec and leader although still understand the people below them to 'get' the actual airline business.

But I have no doubt that Gareth Evans will follow Alan Joyce as CEO. Evans was former CFO, and Qantas seems to hold command of numbers in very very high esteem, then he moved to be CEO of Qantas International so he could get actual 'operating an airline' experience, then he moved over to Jetstar CEO which is where he is today so that he could show ability to run an entire airline and 'self-contained' business. And I can bet that Evans popped the champagne when Jayne Hrdlicka upped and left after moving from Jetstar CEO to Qantas Frequent Flyer CEO, when she headed off to NZ for A2 Milk, because she was chomping at the bit to be a CEO, but her leaving took Evans' only real internal competitor off the board.

So my take is that Alan Joyce will be followed by Gareth Evans, Olivia Wirth will move from being CEO of Qantas Loyalty to running either QF Cargo or JQ as a way of getting actual airline experience , and sure, former OzPost CEO Christine Holgate could be drafted in as CEO of Qantas Loyalty do 'introduce' her to the Qantas machine, but she'd still need to get actual running an airline experience before the Qantas board would offer her the CEO's chair.
One thing that I did notice about Christine Holgate is the high esteem in which the 'shop floor' seem to hold her, people in Post Offices all over the country had put up signs "We stand with Christine". She must have made a decent impression. Not saying she's ready to be an airline CEO but some of that appeal and decent relationship building with the people who actually do the work wouldn't go astray in Qantas I feel.
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Old 11th Aug 2021, 11:01
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No, I think that was to do with the timing of her dismissal and events that embattled the PM around the same time. I won’t list them I’m sure you all could look them up.
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Old 11th Aug 2021, 11:09
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
One thing that I did notice about Christine Holgate is the high esteem in which the 'shop floor' seem to hold her, people in Post Offices all over the country had put up signs "We stand with Christine". She must have made a decent impression. Not saying she's ready to be an airline CEO but some of that appeal and decent relationship building with the people who actually do the work wouldn't go astray in Qantas I feel.
I agree 100% and the exact same 'shop floor' support seemed to apply to Paul Scurrah, he seemed super popular across the ranks at Virgin Australia, certainly much more so than John Borghetti. Qantas could certainly do with a big dose of that 'bringing people together' spirit from its next set of leaders.
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Old 11th Aug 2021, 12:18
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Someone who isn't a screeching , boastful attention seeker & big noter
And who doesn't think he has an entitlement to make relentless demands for tax payer cash from both Federal & enumerable State Govts
& who doesn't think he is worth $10 mill a year, when he has lost $1.8 Billion since becoming CEO
Really running QF isn't that hard a job , it makes a profit on domestic as Govt/Corporate's sewn up & has had to see off two competitors over the last 25 years - both of which have
been directionless deadbeats
International where there is real competition , torn apart by CX/SIA in SE Asia , so weak didn't even bother contesting in China (largest tourist market), did OK to Nth America where the US carriers have never seriously competed on. QF International has been a sh*thouse outfit in a commercial sense for a long long time - & management & QF staff just whinge whinge whinge about how unfair it all is - having to actually compete in the Wide open world. If you couldn't make a buck in V strong economic times pre-Covid re: QF International - well you might think its all going to be a bit of challenge in the Covid era

Whereas when they effectively have a cartel with FF/Cred Cards & tie up with banks , Woolies etc to form "loyalty" - apparently this is some kind of f*****n brilliance.

Go figure hey ? I thought they were running a friggin airline , taking pax from A to B , but just not to China - too hard too hard boo hoo

Why have so many of the Australian Airline CEO's been smarmy showmen, with their accompanying funkster hairstyles ?, big talkies but the delivery side of the equation just doesn't go so well

Don't we have an Australian version of someone like fmr ANZ CEO Rob Fyfe - maybe someone should give Rob a tingle ?

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Old 11th Aug 2021, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Someone who isn't a screeching , boastful attention seeker & big noter
And who doesn't think he has an entitlement to make relentless demands for tax payer cash from both Federal & enumerable State Govts
& who doesn't think he is worth $10 mill a year, when he has lost $1.8 Billion since becoming CEO
Really running QF isn't that hard a job , it makes a profit on domestic as Govt/Corporate's sewn up & has had to see off two competitors over the last 25 years - both of which have
been directionless deadbeats
International where there is real competition , torn apart by CX/SIA in SE Asia , so weak didn't even bother contesting in China (largest tourist market), did OK to Nth America where the US carriers have never seriously competed on. QF International has been a sh*thouse outfit in a commercial sense for a long long time - & management & QF staff just whinge whinge whinge about how unfair it all is - having to actually compete in the Wide open world. If you couldn't make a buck in V strong economic times pre-Covid re: QF International - well you might think its all going to be a bit of challenge in the Covid era

Whereas when they effectively have a cartel with FF/Cred Cards & tie up with banks , Woolies etc to form "loyalty" - apparently this is some kind of f*****n brilliance.

Go figure hey ? I thought they were running a friggin airline , taking pax from A to B , but just not to China - too hard too hard boo hoo

Why have so many of the Australian Airline CEO's been smarmy showmen, with their accompanying funkster hairstyles ?, big talkies but the delivery side of the equation just doesn't go so well

Don't we have an Australian version of someone like fmr ANZ CEO Rob Fyfe - maybe someone should give Rob a tingle ?
Thats a really good analysis,you could probably add 'a spoilt little brat who throws a tantrum every time someone opposes him or challenges his opinion'.
He is the head hauncho of the back slappers club who have no problem in telling everyone how good they are & how they care & understand,the only thing him & his hangers on forget to say is that their feelings only apply to themselves.
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Old 11th Aug 2021, 22:50
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Agreed. As the Ďpandemicí continues to bite into company profits I would say that things will get to a point where AJ doesnít have many rocks left to overturn looking for pennies. And with limited options left with a dwindling profit base and a huge ego to maintain he will bail with his giant nest egg.
I think youíre looking at a different set of stats than the rest of us. QF is in an excellent financial position. They will dominate the region post COVID.
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Old 11th Aug 2021, 22:59
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AJ is doing a good job, TBH there would be no other CEO you (I) would want in this current time. Ppl forget he is the boss and a lot disagree with the boss just because some things don't go their way. But hey, lets swap him out for JB, MM, PS or even JH if she stayed.......hell no to all! If GE gets the call up, he will be a good choice and considering what he is doing at JQ which I think is good he will lead the group and we will still have careers in the future thats if the Government does not kill the economy. The next couple or so yrs will be difficult for any operator in Australia and VA with their secret squirrel books now are not doing any better, there is an impending recession coming and it will hit hard Australians have no idea I remember PK speech very well in '1990, and who remember those interest rates! The world is getting on with business they cant afford not to Australia needs to also, waiting for arbitrary percentage vaccination rate that there is no uniform agreement on is pointless. U.S.A didn't have this why do we.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 01:54
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Speaking of management changes..... Rumour on the Street today...is that a former AIPA President has completed his WK/ CM training, and has been newly promoted to the lofty position of "QF Group Industrial Relations Manager".. anybody care to confirm?


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Old 12th Aug 2021, 02:06
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Speaking of management changes..... Rumour on the Street today...is that a former AIPA President has completed his WK/ CM training, and has been newly promoted to the lofty position of "QF Group Industrial Relations Manager".. anybody care to confirm?
Yes, that is correct. However, there are a dozen others with a similar title in the company including the Oldmeadows. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but here we go. Their job is to make a shit sandwich taste ok. They are another minion implementing cost initiatives from above. Having someone who knows pilots and the agreement is good and bad. Personally, I couldn’t care less what title he has. I’d suggest his next involvement is Jetstar.

Finally, I wouldn’t be seen dead doing what he is doing. Why pilots continue to avail themselves to work on the HQ side amazes me. Just don’t come back to a pilots seat and then moan about HQ. You won’t have my ear.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 02:19
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The cabin crews (on no pay for the last 2 years) have been asked to take on 23-hour duty periods, to allow BN-Singapore-BN without a stopover. This is in the A330 which does not have a proper crew rest area. How will a crew member cope with an emergency evacuation after being awake for some hours, then doing a 23-hour shift?

But it saves the cost of an overnight allowance, so give yourself a pat on the back, and take yesterday off.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 02:32
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But it saves the cost of an overnight allowance, so give yourself a pat on the back, and take yesterday off.
Iím sure thatís not the motivation. Quarantine relief, travel bubbles. Sometimes we think everything is about screwing us over. Now donít get me wrong, the issues about crew rest and duty length are valid and something to sort out. If scoot and sing air do all the flying then we would all still be throwing stones.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 02:43
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Speaking of management changes..... Rumour on the Street today...is that a former AIPA President has completed his WK/ CM training, and has been newly promoted to the lofty position of "QF Group Industrial Relations Manager".. anybody care to confirm?
you can just check his LinkedIn profile. Itís all there.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 03:22
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Ascend Charlie, youíre posting BS as usual. The 23 hour tour of duty request for cabin crew is for single sector duties only, not returns. Get your facts straight.

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Old 12th Aug 2021, 12:58
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I agree 100% and the exact same 'shop floor' support seemed to apply to Paul Scurrah, he seemed super popular across the ranks at Virgin Australia, certainly much more so than John Borghetti. Qantas could certainly do with a big dose of that 'bringing people together' spirit from its next set of leaders.
They got it in the mid-80s when John Menadue came along - things changed really quickly in terms of what in modern management speak 'engagement'. What he did was simple, but seems to elude most current management - he just asked the people that do the work "What works and what doesn't work and you do the job so you tell us how to best do it".

IMHO JB was incompetent. People were running around making dumb moves and decisions not based on logic but because 'he' wanted it that way. I am aware of the supposed basis of some of the decisions he made and they were incorrect. I cannot see that anything that John Thomas did was worthy of his departure, except that he disagreed with the mail room boy. From all accounts Scurrah was very quickly able to establish a good rapport with the coalface and I liked that he slaughtered a few of the MRB's sacred cows such as emphatically refusing to ever have positioning Tech Crew in J Class but thinking that his a-rse was somehow required to be there.

The right CEO can keep a business profitable while motivating the people very quickly. It's not hard to do, it just takes forthrightness and doing what you say you're going to do. The problems of VA were always subjected, when someone came up with a good idea, the response 'there's a project underway to look at that' - which of course, there never was, it was just a fob-off.
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Old 13th Aug 2021, 01:08
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Speaking of management changes..... Rumour on the Street today...is that a former AIPA President has completed his WK/ CM training, and has been newly promoted to the lofty position of "QF Group Industrial Relations Manager".. anybody care to confirm?
It will be good to have someone in there who will understand the pilots point of view.
Thats not to say we will get our way but at least someone will understand the language.
I see it as a positive.
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