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Old 19th Jul 2021, 10:53
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
3 Greens - I think China mandated it after a few incidents in their FIR with FOs in the flight deck. So that affected South Korea, and Japan Flights as well.

in Korea, it came about as a result of AF447.
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 19:15
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
a ‘Captain on the flight deck at all times’
Nothing wrong with one Captain on the flight deck.

The trouble starts when you have more than one!

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Old 19th Jul 2021, 20:52
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Now that’s funny!!!😂😂😂
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Old 19th Jul 2021, 23:14
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What about when you have 3! Two do the work but only one gets to write the book.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 01:01
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Nice one Lookleft🤣
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 01:33
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All these stories of that event that are circulating. When will the other members release their book? Surely at least two of them be near or at retirement
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 02:25
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All three Captains have retired from QF. Every time I ran into Dave Evans I’d ask when I could expect to read his book. He would always reply with a wry smile.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 06:32
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Originally Posted by ekolbregit
in Korea, it came about as a result of AF447.
All Korean airspace? I've flown through there with capt in bunk and s/o pretending to laugh at my jokes in the lhs

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Old 20th Jul 2021, 06:49
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Maybe having a command endorsement ticks the box.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 07:25
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Originally Posted by maggot
All Korean airspace? I've flown through there with capt in bunk and s/o presenting to laugh at my jokes in the lhs

Sorry I wasn’t clear. Only applies to Korean Air ops and probably Asiana as well.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 20:38
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With over half of Australia locked away being kept safe how will QF/JQ look? Surely there will be major cut backs announced without gov money injection. VA are expanding bringing back some redundant wide body pilots and Bain I would think have deeper pockets now.

Currently what we see is the new normal as idiot Australia think they can eradicate this.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 22:04
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Eradication is next to impossible and most of them now concede as much, so other than nutters or those with a political axe to grind to whom are you referring?
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 22:39
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Where have you been the last week? Journos, TV news even premiers want or will only accept zero cases and in deaths. They were talking about the 90 odd deaths in the UK on morning show and carrying on if it was a crime against humanity to open borders as there should be no deaths.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 22:57
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Australia is not going to open with low vaccination rates.

The UK are doing us all a favour by demonstrating what happens with no restrictions and similar levels of vaccination that we will get here. If they succeed then we have a pathway. If they don’t then we’re back to the drawing board. Epidemiologists seem to be suggesting that the UK opening won’t go well at all.

Lets see what happens.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:06
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Australia is not going to open with low vaccination rates.

The UK are doing us all a favour by demonstrating what happens with no restrictions and similar levels of vaccination that we will get here. If they succeed then we have a pathway. If they don’t then we’re back to the drawing board. Epidemiologists seem to be suggesting that the UK opening won’t go well at all.

Lets see what happens.
Give it two infection cycles, we'll know in two weeks.

Frankly, I'm surprised that there's not more of a focus on Israel. 58 percent fully vaccinated, seeing rising cases but with hospitalisations, critical care hospitalisations and deaths running about an order of magnitude lower than their pre-vaccination numbers.
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:11
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Originally Posted by SHVC
With over half of Australia locked away being kept safe how will QF/JQ look? Surely there will be major cut backs announced without gov money injection. VA are expanding bringing back some redundant wide body pilots and Bain I would think have deeper pockets now.

Currently what we see is the new normal as idiot Australia think they can eradicate this.
During the capacity war, something like 80% of QF domestic profit was from WA mining flights. I suspect at the moment it would pretty much the same with mining flights going towards offsetting the losses from COVID lockdowns.

What will be interesting is what happens with QF international. Almost totally existing by IFAM and Repatriation flights. What will happen if the government pulls support for these? Hundreds more stood down for 12-18mths?
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:14
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Why can't the people who want to avoid Covid at all costs stay locked down if that's what they're so keen for, and the rest of us get on with it?

At what point does it become a personal choice that if you are unrealistically risk averse, then YOU can make allowances to cater for that. Stay at home, get groceries delivered etc. It's totally possible. I know it is because it's how I spend most of my life at the moment, but not by choice.

Keep all the reasonable restrictions in place but no more of this lockdown bs. It's the same group of us in society getting f**ked every time.

I hope we do what the French did this week. Below is a little of what Macron said sourced from elsewhere:
"I no longer have any intention of sacrificing my life, my time, my freedom and the adolescence of my daughters, as well as their right to study properly, for those who refuse to be vaccinated. This time you stay at home, not us."

"It’s a matter of individual responsibility [...] but also a matter of our freedom"

In France, those who do not get vaccinated will no longer be able to go to restaurants, cafes (from early August), cinemas & museums (from July 21) and get on airplanes or trains (from August). Alternatively, you will have to submit a negative test, which will no longer be free (49 euros for the PCR, 29 for the antigen).

Macron then announced the vaccination obligation for medical personnel & for those who work in contact with fragile people. Since September 15, a nurse who has refused to be vaccinated will no longer be able to go to work and receive a salary. "We cannot make those who have the civic sense to get vaccinated bear the burden of inconvenience," Macron said. "The restrictions will weigh on others, those who for reasons incomprehensible in the country of Louis Pasteur, science and the Enlightenment still hesitate to use the only weapon available against the pandemic, the vaccine." "I am aware of what I am asking you," he said, "and I know that you are ready for this commitment. This is, in a sense, part of your sense of duty."

“Get vaccinated!” was the president’s overall message. He even tweeted a GIF of himself repeating the phrase. “The equation is simple. The more we vaccinate, the less space we leave this virus to circulate.”

Macron explained that the government was striving to achieve a 100% vaccination rate across the country.”
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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:30
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Originally Posted by Fonz121
Why can't the people who want to avoid Covid at all costs stay locked down if that's what they're so keen for, and the rest of us get on with it?

At what point does it become a personal choice that if you are unrealistically risk averse, then YOU can make allowances to cater for that. Stay at home, get groceries delivered etc. It's totally possible. I know it is because it's how I spend most of my life at the moment, but not by choice.

Keep all the reasonable restrictions in place but no more of this lockdown bs. It's the same group of us in society getting f**ked every time.
Yup, maybe in 6 months when everyone has had the OPPORTUNITY to get vaccinated, with a vaccine that is recommended for them by ATAGI.

But, what's your plan until then? Hospitals that can't cope? 50 odd thousand deaths? Adjusted for population that's roughly what we'd be looking at, plus the effects of long-COVID. Of the 1360 COVID cases around the country, 128 are hospitalised, or roughly 10%. It should be only too apparent how this would go if governments allow people to continue on as normal at present. No-one likes it, everyone's had enough, I've had a gutful and I'm guessing I'll be stood down again in a few weeks without pay but seriously, what's the alternative for now?

I'm sure those who want to "get on with it" would be amongst the masses clamouring for a hospital bed if they get seriously ill from COVID.

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Old 20th Jul 2021, 23:58
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Yup, maybe in 6 months when everyone has had the OPPORTUNITY to get vaccinated, with a vaccine that is recommended for them by ATAGI.
The only reason ATAGI have recommended against AZ, a perfectly safe vaccine which by all accounts is showing excellent protection against serious illness from the Delta variant, is because we are suppressing the virus with extreme lockdowns. So given the choice of a vaccine with a one in a million chance of death, or a very delayed vaccine program that results in continuous lockdowns and negative impacts to many peoples mental well-being, doesn't logic dictate that we should be using the vaccine?

ATAGI can go jump. They have one priority, and it's to the detriment of everything else which is no way to make decisions. Ultimately the politicians are at fault for ceding all decision making to the medicos.





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Old 21st Jul 2021, 00:15
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Whilst on the subject of AZ I thought this was interesting.


Data released last week from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that 35 per cent of unvaccinated people aged 50 to 69 and 26 per cent aged 70 and over cited “wanting a different vaccine” as a factor in their “ability to get a Covid-19 vaccination”. This compares with 7 and 9 per cent of those aged 18 to 34 and 35 to 49.

But what if the problems plaguing the AZ vaccine were breathtakingly simple all along?

On June 29, scientists from Germany authored a paper that was published in pre-print form on the biology server hosted by the world-leading Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. It provided compelling evidence that the clotting syndrome associated with the AZ vaccine is caused by accidental intravenous injection.

The paper, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, showed in animal tests that the clotting can be induced when the injection site nicks a blood vessel instead of hitting the deltoid muscle. It could be avoided with a harmless procedure known as aspirating the syringe, which is standard in some countries around the world. Simply, the health professional draws back on the syringe at the injection site to check for blood before delivering the inoculation. In March, Denmark changed its guidelines to account for this as a precautionary measure. The theory had been circulating for months.

The Saturday Paper can reveal the TGA is aware of the paper and is considering its implications. “If the TGA determines that further regulatory action is required on the basis of emerging evidence,” a spokesperson said, “we will make this information available promptly.”
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