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Old 18th May 2021, 02:59
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trust me still better than not having a flying career anymore
Of the 164,265,954 people (at last count) worldwide that have had COVID, how many pilots do you reckon have lost their medicals? I’d guess 3/5ths of f*ck all. If pilots were truly worried about losing their medicals, they’d be best advised to never smoke or drink. That’d be risk management.
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Old 18th May 2021, 04:00
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Originally Posted by brokenagain View Post
Of the 164,265,954 people (at last count) worldwide that have had COVID, how many pilots do you reckon have lost their medicals? I’d guess 3/5ths of f*ck all. If pilots were truly worried about losing their medicals, they’d be best advised to never smoke or drink. That’d be risk management.
Something got lost in translation there. I wasn't talking at all about losing medicals
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Old 18th May 2021, 04:42
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Something got lost in translation there. I wasn't talking at all about losing medicals
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Old 20th May 2021, 04:58
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Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla View Post
There are also alot of " Truly Courageous " who are working jobs they rather wouldn't be to provide for their families.

Dont forget the guys and girls who arent allowed to fly or earn a living from their chosen profession. There are plent out there that would jump at the chance to earn something. Covid or no Covid.

The truly courageous are those trying keeping it together whilst being shafted by all around them.

MCD
QF management are experts at shafting people,they are now imposing a 2 yr wage freeze & at the end of that you may be entitled to a 2% pay rise.
The chances of back pay will be almost zero so whilst they continue as normal the frontline workforce get hammered harder.
Maybe there is some truth in Sharp(rex) saying qf is technically insolvent.
Think hard before refusing redundancy.
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Old 20th May 2021, 06:46
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Yeah because they’re clearly making shedloads of money right now, you idiot
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Old 20th May 2021, 07:42
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Originally Posted by blubak View Post
QF management are experts at shafting people,they are now imposing a 2 yr wage freeze & at the end of that you may be entitled to a 2% pay rise.
The chances of back pay will be almost zero so whilst they continue as normal the frontline workforce get hammered harder.
Maybe there is some truth in Sharp(rex) saying qf is technically insolvent.
Think hard before refusing redundancy.
The announcement is only to help lower costs and make the profits they make in the next few years even larger for their bonus schemes.

Only be bothered by the announcement if you have an open EBA - the rest are fine - the world will be a different place by the time EBAs expire.
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:47
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Yeah because they’re clearly making shedloads of money right now, you idiot
Obviously you know everything so we should all consult you before we are allowed to make a comment.
Maybe you can elaborate on how clever you think you are or are you just an angry little man.
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Old 20th May 2021, 08:56
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post

Only be bothered by the announcement if you have an open EBA - the rest are fine - the world will be a different place by the time EBAs expire.
Jetstar! They have an open EBA right?
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Old 20th May 2021, 09:01
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Jetstar! They have an open EBA right?
The pay freeze is applicable from the last pay rise plus 12 months. There are a number of eba’s that are more than 3 years out of date so technically, any new agreements that are negotiated are able to include pay rises (provided they expired 3 or more years ago at the time the eba is voted up)....that’s how I read it anyway.
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Old 20th May 2021, 13:26
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Question,
When Qantas crew return to Australia from an international flight are they required to request an exemption from NSW health everytime to go home to self isolate?
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Old 20th May 2021, 14:26
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Yeah because they’re clearly making shedloads of money right now, you idiot
Sniffing around QF threads again I see, offering your pearls of wisdom!

Unlike LCC pilots chasing quick commands and measly bucks, we QF people like to look at the long term, and for this reason a pay freeze will be unpalatable for many. We’ve been down this road before and know exactly how it ends...with huge bonuses paid to Execs due to amazing transformations, recoveries etc etc.
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Old 20th May 2021, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
Sniffing around QF threads again I see, offering your pearls of wisdom!

Unlike LCC pilots chasing quick commands and measly bucks, we QF people like to look at the long term, and for this reason a pay freeze will be unpalatable for many. We’ve been down this road before and know exactly how it ends...with huge bonuses paid to Execs due to amazing transformations, recoveries etc etc.
Go on then, go stamp your foot about your pay freeze. See how far you get when a great deal of your fleet is parked in the desert, a tonne of your pilots are driving busses, and the borders are firmly shut.

The mind boggles how you think you are entitled to increasing pay when your airline is in the scenario it is.
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Old 20th May 2021, 14:50
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Go on then, go stamp your foot about your pay freeze. See how far you get when a great deal of your fleet is parked in the desert, a tonne of your pilots are driving busses, and the borders are firmly shut.

The mind boggles how you think you are entitled to increasing pay when your airline is in the scenario it is.
Calm down son.

Some of us never had our fleet parked. Pilots were always flying and continuing to make money for this company. Yet we are now forced to take an effective pay cut for the next 2 years.
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Old 20th May 2021, 15:01
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
Go on then, go stamp your foot about your pay freeze. See how far you get when a great deal of your fleet is parked in the desert, a tonne of your pilots are driving busses, and the borders are firmly shut.

The mind boggles how you think you are entitled to increasing pay when your airline is in the scenario it is.
It’s because we aren’t naive and gullible. And nor it seems is Elizabeth Knight

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...20-p57tp0.html
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Old 20th May 2021, 22:31
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Originally Posted by halfmoon View Post
Question,
When Qantas crew return to Australia from an international flight are they required to request an exemption from NSW health everytime to go home to self isolate?
Yes they are. If they’ve come in through Darwin the quarantine period also doesn’t start until they reach NSW
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Old 20th May 2021, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
It’s because we aren’t naive and gullible. And nor it seems is Elizabeth Knight

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...20-p57tp0.html
Lots of truth in her article,she & many others are not naive & gullible & buckle under AJ's word whenever he tries to bully whoever he feels like.
He is telling us now we need get vaccinated,that is none of his business but as usual he thinks he knows everything & has an opinion on everything.
Nobody is suggesting his airline hasnt & isnt suffering but when he uses that to push his agenda on many other issues it just shows what makes him tick.
Good luck to all still working for him,you are the lifeline of the company but he has never been noble enough to recognise your efforts,he just wants more,more,more.
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Old 21st May 2021, 01:05
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I think one of the best mechanisms to ensure that money saved from ‘pay freezes’ and caps on pay increases, doesn’t just end up as management bonuses, is to have an incentive scheme similar to what the short haul award currently contains.

It might not be perfect, but At least it ensures that when the turn around comes and the bonuses are flowing, that there is a contractual obligation to share in the success.

It should cost nothing to have this type of scheme implemented in every award as they are signed up for this pay freeze, to have it sitting there ready for when the profits and management bonuses begin to flow again.
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Old 21st May 2021, 01:47
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Random thought:

Can Qantas post a profit with crew stood down.
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Old 21st May 2021, 02:38
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
The mind boggles how you think you are entitled to increasing pay when your airline is in the scenario it is.
Possibly because the company railroaded through a LH EA, with pay rises, when the current scenario was already very apparent?
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Old 21st May 2021, 03:42
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
Random thought:

Can Qantas post a profit with crew stood down.
Yes, but they won’t want to which is why they’ll find a bunch of things to write off and declare a loss.
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