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Old 10th May 2021, 03:45
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
Why bother? We’ve been telling them how we feel for 20 years since the purchase of Impulse and look where we are.
Fair call. Personally I find it cathartic and every bit helps these days.

I’ve never really believed the story that any kind of response is a positive for engagement. I can think of a few Base Managers who were coincidentally moved on just after receiving poor scores in engagement surveys.
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Old 10th May 2021, 03:54
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
Why bother? We’ve been telling them how we feel for 20 years since the purchase of Impulse and look where we are.
Well... I just let rip, and if they want to de-identify it and track me down, so be it.
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Old 10th May 2021, 06:06
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Red face

Engagement equals KPIs for managers still reaping rewards even though they have almost no one to manage. Way to go " Leaders ".

Sullenbergers address to congress sumed it up well.

" A revolving door managment team treating the airline's staff as ATMs."


MCD.



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Old 10th May 2021, 10:12
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
Well... I just let rip, and if they want to de-identify it and track me down, so be it.
I took great pleasure in telling them exactly how I felt.
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Old 11th May 2021, 06:42
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I let rip as well, sick of being polite.
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Old 12th May 2021, 09:01
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I didn't complete one, the way they continue to outsource all aspects of the Company (On Time Performance anyone? Must have been removed from their KPI's this year), the way that our "Group"- as in Network, Cobham/NJS, Alliance- continue to externally recruit, continue with Promotion, and some of which have never even had a month of stand down (I recently saw some social media posts of Network Pilots......) ,whilst 3/4 of our pilots apparently have "no useful work" and continue to be stood down...well, Our Management should be ashamed, instead it is Champagne all round.
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Old 13th May 2021, 11:21
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Qantas is a toxic place to work anyway.They don’t give a s&$#@ about their staff.As you say subsidiaries at capacity whilst some pilots are told to F&$# off till 2024 and do 5 years stand down.
Have to face the reality they truly dont give a shite other than bullshit wank off emails and rubbish wipe your arse surveys.
Do your best to move on,study something or start something else.If anyone’s left after years in the abyss they are not going to give two hoots about the toxic red rat.
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Old 13th May 2021, 14:58
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Maybe I'm just cynical but, I don't understand people wanting to waste their time filling in surveys etc. No one will ever read it. Especially a HR survey. A useless survey written by the most useless people in the business.
Not many physcometric tests to check these days, so need to justify their existence in other ways.
% quota
of engaged employees achieved = bonuses and management reach arounds. ....

Just as I don't get the few individuals that still want to take minimum fuel everywhere, bend over backwards to save fuel, extend duty times, use minimum flap settings, not use reverse etc like seriously why do you care?
There is no mutual respect anymore. Management literally see you as a dog to be used until you drop or your no longer useful. To then be taken out the back and cast away so they can bring in a newer cheaper one.
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Old 13th May 2021, 19:51
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How about the torture AJ and crowd have put staff through the last few months with this property review. Thousands worried if they’ll have to give up their jobs if their workplace moves. To worry about this during this pandemic!
Only to find out after an excruciating wait that, wait for it, they’re not moving!!!
Disgraceful!
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Old 13th May 2021, 21:15
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Toxic in the extreme.

It must be socially isolating and quite lonely to know what the average pilot thinks of managers.

All the rhetoric and rubbish surveys wont help them when they have to look in to a mirror. Or look you in the eye.

MCD

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Old 14th May 2021, 11:36
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Qantas don’t give a damn. I don’t know why they bother. Flying is years away for many. A survey or other bullshit emails are an insult. Many are cast aside unpaid for years. Why would you bother to read an email, do a survey or even give a toss. Those on extended stand downs have mentally checked out or soon will. Those that don’t return till late 2023 or most likely later are going to slowly give up. Might have been said by someone else but time to stop waiting for something that’s not going to return for years, and a toxic company who’s happy to cast you aside for a long time.
Past DPA now, find somewhere and something else so you don’t need to care.
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Old 14th May 2021, 16:55
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Whatever people may think north or south about the future of LH

It is great to see the QF LH crew doing what they are currently doing

Truly Courageous
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Old 14th May 2021, 22:51
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Whatever people may think north or south about the future of LH

It is great to see the QF LH crew doing what they are currently doing

Truly Courageous
It certainly is & they are getting no recognition for it.
Yet again,its those at the top whose faces appear to receive all the glory whilst at the same time continue to screw the workforce in any way they can think of.
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Old 15th May 2021, 08:25
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Whatever people may think north or south about the future of LH

It is great to see the QF LH crew doing what they are currently doing

Truly Courageous
Happy for them to be up and flying again, but truly courageous..? How many vaccinated, stood down/sacked WB guys and girls in Aus wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to do what they’re currently doing..
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Old 15th May 2021, 09:58
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Truly courageous?

Thats a circle jerk if ive ever heard it!

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Old 15th May 2021, 10:11
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Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla View Post
Truly courageous?

Thats a circle jerk if ive ever heard it!
its telfer ffs
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Old 15th May 2021, 14:20
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Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla View Post
Truly courageous?

Thats a circle jerk if ive ever heard it!
They wouldn’t get me doing the India flights for double pay. Good on those people who’ve put their name forward, it’s voluntary for a reason.
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Old 15th May 2021, 16:30
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Happy for them to be up and flying again, but truly courageous..? How many vaccinated, stood down/sacked WB guys and girls in Aus wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to do what they’re currently doing..
Lots of "courageous" BA and Virgin pilots have been flying to India regularly during the C19 event. Mainly freight. At the moment obviously no layover.
Double crewed, out and back with a couple of hours turnaround. All aircraft have crew rest facilities of course.
Also being UK based they have at least one vaccination. Vaccinations down to the mid 30 year olds here.
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Old 15th May 2021, 22:36
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There are also alot of " Truly Courageous " who are working jobs they rather wouldn't be to provide for their families.

Dont forget the guys and girls who arent allowed to fly or earn a living from their chosen profession. There are plent out there that would jump at the chance to earn something. Covid or no Covid.

The truly courageous are those trying keeping it together whilst being shafted by all around them.

MCD
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Old 16th May 2021, 13:11
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Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla View Post
There are also alot of " Truly Courageous " who are working jobs they rather wouldn't be to provide for their families.

Dont forget the guys and girls who arent allowed to fly or earn a living from their chosen profession. There are plent out there that would jump at the chance to earn something. Covid or no Covid.

The truly courageous are those trying keeping it together whilst being shafted by all around them.

MCD
Well said! I’m going on 424 days since I last did my job.
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