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Government's $1.2 billion 'ticket to recovery' offers 800,000 half-price airfares

Old 11th Mar 2021, 02:17
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
No one has said anything like that.
Auckland counts as international. Winter flights to Christchurch for skiers...
The comments of Agent 86 seem to suggest otherwise. The point i was making is that VAI are far from dead and buried.

However if you wanted to argue semantics technically VAI is deceased as they were merged back into VA.

As i said international ops are a given in time and make no mistake about it, long haul will be in their calculations.

And thank you for the geography lesson but I am familiar with the location of Auckland.

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Old 11th Mar 2021, 03:39
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please View Post
Nearly 90% of those who were on JobKeeper are now off it and the economy is generally doing well except for the obvious struggling sectors. This incentive is aimed at injecting life into both the aviation and tourism sector and, by definition, those regions that rely on them. Of course, you can argue about its breadth and which regions are targetted but generally the sentiment is good. The aviation sector gets a direct hit and hopefully it passes through. Even those in the international side of aviation may get a boost with airlines such as JQ looking at deploying its int'l 787 fleet onto domestic routes and you'd assume QF will do the same with its A330s.

It is clear the government is keen to move beyond the survival period of the pandemic ,which was what JobKeeper was all about, to a new phase where struggling sectors are assisted in standing back up. Sadly, not all businesses will make it but endless subsidies to zombie businesses is not the answer.
Well said.

The only people I know who are still adversely affected are those in the airlines/tourism. Many outside of these areas are doing better than they were pre-covid, or at least no worse.
Sure, there is going to be some players left behind and some local business affected by capicity restrictions etc, but the latter category are state limitations for state goverments to address.
This stimulus at least goes some way to helping two large industries still affected by a federal decision to (for all intents and purposes) close the Australian border to international arrivals.

The discounted ticketing is designed to incentivise people to actually travel to a destination in the first place so they can spend thier hard earnt on arrival, rather than providing endless subidies to keep everyone afloat.

The devil will be in the detail of how the thing is actually administered of course, but at the end of the day the goverment were going to be dammed if they did, and dammed if they didn't.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 05:19
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My understanding is that several VA B777’s currently sitting at Wellcamp are available if and when required.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 05:24
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My understanding is that several VA B777ís currently sitting at Wellcamp are available if and when required.
Who would fly these 777s? Donít think there would be to many ex777 skippers on the 737 would there?
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 06:24
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And there it is. Marginal electorates targeted.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 06:28
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My understanding is that several VA B777’s currently sitting at Wellcamp are available if and when required.
VA won't be needing them for about three years. Hold that thought.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 07:06
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The palacechook can place her tourist destinations where the sun doesnít shine!!! Beautiful one day, rip off central the next.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 07:32
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Cool

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Correct, VA has clearly stated they are interested in restarting int'l services to DPS, NAN and NZ when they can. They are probably a bit more equivocal on any int'l services that require them to operate their own widebody fleets so routes such as LAX and HND are probably off the agenda for the next few years at least.
Er, didnít all the shareholders get wiped out in the collapse and subsequent sale of Virgin to Bain and Co? No more SIA, HNA, Nanshan, Etihad or Virgin Group shares? Are we to believe that through the carnage, that VAI, the plucky majority Australian owned entity within Virgin survived, even though all the 777ís and A330ís were repossessed?

If VAI rise like a phoenix from the ashes as a majority Australian owned company while all around it get wiped out it would be a curious turn of events indeed. Especially since it no longer has any aircraft, AOC, or pilots to speak of.

Maybe the emperor has clothes after all, and a company that went broke, went through a fire sale and was 100% purchased by Americans is Australian after all.

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Old 11th Mar 2021, 08:05
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And there it is. Marginal electorates targeted.
glad someone finally spotted it.

on a side but related note, they had a reporter in Sydney airport today talking to the head of retail there. Things are obviously dire now but they made the point that they donít expect things to return to normal passenger levels for at least two to three years.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 09:00
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The palacechook can place her tourist destinations where the sun doesnít shine!!! Beautiful one day, rip off central the next.
She certainly can,she & her moron health minister stood up & criticised the rest of the country for months on end without considering the consequences.
Now her words are coming back to bite her on her big fat ass as she realises(maybe) that the people she was constantly offending were the ones who supported the tourism industry in her state.
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She certainly can,she & her moron health minister stood up & criticised the rest of the country for months on end without considering the consequences.
Now her words are coming back to bite her on her big fat ass as she realises(maybe) that the people she was constantly offending were the ones who supported the tourism industry in her state.
Yet the public continues to vote her in. And these fools will do the same at the next election.

For a state that really told Labor to shove it at the last federal election, perhaps they might come to their senses at the next state election.
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She certainly can,she & her moron health minister stood up & criticised the rest of the country for months on end without considering the consequences.
Now her words are coming back to bite her on her big fat ass as she realises(maybe) that the people she was constantly offending were the ones who supported the tourism industry in her state.
Premier Young and Anna used COVID to play political games. Idiots sitting in their ivory towers not knowing the damage they were contributing too. Now they are panicking as they realise Queensland has been financially decimated.


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Originally Posted by mates rates View Post
My understanding is that several VA B777’s currently sitting at Wellcamp are available if and when required.
Ownership of the 77Ws have been transferred to the banks per the CASA registry as Bain are no longer paying the mortgage on the 777s and some of the redundant 737s. They were mortgaged (asset-stripped) long ago by SQ/EY/et al in exchange for capital from the banks, as the former owners were no longer willing to use their own funds into VA for numerous reasons discussed across the web over the years.

On a related note, the A330s and the sole leased 777 (rego: VH-VOZ) have been returned to the lessor(s) and/or in the process of returning to their lessor owners.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 21:22
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VOZ ferried to Singapore from Wellcamp last night
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 23:35
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
And there it is. Marginal electorates targeted.
Devonport and Burnie arenít big tourist towns but were included on the list, they also sit in the seat of Braddon, one of the most marginal in Australia. The only place in NSW was Merimbula, inside the bellwether marginal seat of Eden-Monaro. Whilst places on the North Coast like Coffs Harbour and Byron Bay/Ballina in the safer electorates of Page and Cowper missed out. Kangaroo Island in Mayo which was Liberal until they lost it in 2016 to NXT/CA so theyíd love to take that one back. The NT destinations are semi marginal to the ALP but Alice and Uluru wouldíve been on any list. WA only got one destination in a safe Liberal seat, a lot of potential other destinations like Exmouth, Kununurra, Busselton also in safe seats missed out. Most of the expected Queensland destinations got subsidised however, regardless of seat status.

Whilst I canít say all of decisions were based purely on politics, some of the decisions are questionable at the very least.....



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Old 12th Mar 2021, 00:22
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If the country is supposedly awash with 50billion tourist dollars that canít be spent overseas, is saving a measly 100 or so bucks on the airfare component enough to swing somebodyís decision to suddenly take a domestic holiday that they wouldnít have taken otherwise?? If thatís a game changer then they probably werenít going to spend much at the other end!
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Originally Posted by LapSap View Post
If the country is supposedly awash with 50billion tourist dollars that canít be spent overseas, is saving a measly 100 or so bucks on the airfare component enough to swing somebodyís decision to suddenly take a domestic holiday that they wouldnít have taken otherwise?? If thatís a game changer then they probably werenít going to spend much at the other end!
You are correct that the country's consumers haven't spent money on overseas tourists but savings ratios are way up as is expenditure on home improvements. Consumers aren't redirecting their spending into domestic tourism (border closures don't help here). The subsidy is a bit of a carrot to get people spending in this area. The alternative is direct pay supplements to affected workers but that is relatively inefficient as it doesn't stand businesses back up as well as not addressing the other impacts of people not working such as mental health, self-esteem and overall confidence in the future.
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Dont know if its related to this scheme or not got a friend flying to cairns next week for 3 days of business. Went to hire 4wd, none available. Even standard cars there is very little choice.
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There is a general shortage of rental cars. During the course of the lockdown rental car revenue obviously went through the floor and the rental car companies took advantage of a spike in used car values to shrink their fleets and get some cash. Now the market is recovering, they are caught with smaller fleets than ideal and prices have spiked accordingly.
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Rentals are scarce in Cairns from Feb to May, the car yards are emptied out and vehicles sent south. A trick during wet season is to pick the cheapest, more often than none end up with a model multiple upgrades up due to such small numbers available. I have had family select a Yaris and end up with a Merc.
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