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Old 16th Mar 2021, 06:41
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Will this make any difference at Ballina?

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Old 16th Mar 2021, 09:50
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Will this make any difference at Ballina?

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triadic,

Re Ballina, my initial review, and it could be flawed, ie aerodrome list (Plan B) Proposed C 180 - 8500, E 8500 - 6500, G 6500 - 0007, Original C 180 - 8500, G 8500 - 0007,

No mention of SAFIS anymore?

If no SAFIS and only E inserted from 8500 to 6500 then Plan B changes for Ballina will be earth shatteringly.............................

.........Microscopic!

As I stated on the other thread Plan A - Fantasy Plan B - Confidence Trick

Airservices = Chutzpah!
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 06:05
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Ballina 50% Traffic Increase

At Senate Estimates on Monday, the AsA CEO stated Ballina traffic had increased 50% on pre COVID-19 numbers...

Is this true?

Anyone with knowledge care to respond.

G_f
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 11:36
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Originally Posted by Gentle_flyer View Post
At Senate Estimates on Monday, the AsA CEO stated Ballina traffic had increased 50% on pre COVID-19 numbers...

Is this true?

Anyone with knowledge care to respond.

G_f
Probably true, when the borders closed BNA was about the only place that Sydneysiders could fly to.

Such a statement by AsA CEO should've prompted the obvious question about Control Tower establishment criterion. Opportunity lost. Perhaps it is the long list of questions on notice!
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 12:03
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Yep, QF started flying mainline B737’s in there for the first time during COVID, because the high yield passengers from SYD couldn’t cross the border, and I believe they still are.
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Old 24th Mar 2021, 21:28
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I wonder how long it will be before the QF risk managers take another look at the consequence side of the matrix as soon as a 737 as an airprox? I think the Jetstar equivalents take their starting point within the box at VL and go upwards and sideways from there.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 06:46
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I wonder how long it will be before the QF risk managers take another look at the consequence side of the matrix as soon as a 737 as an airprox? I think the Jetstar equivalents take their starting point within the box at VL and go upwards and sideways from there.
If nothing is done by the powers that be, it would be nice if we could come together (Virgin, QF & JQ) as one group of crew and Just say "NO" we are not doing it anymore.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 07:05
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Nice thought but it is difficult enough to get consensus within the various airlines let alone across them.
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Old 25th Mar 2021, 20:47
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Originally Posted by Derfred View Post
Yep, QF started flying mainline B737ís in there for the first time during COVID, because the high yield passengers from SYD couldnít cross the border, and I believe they still are.
And Qantaslink .... and Fly Pelican (from 3 ports) .... and plenty of Citation and PC-12-type things...
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 06:35
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
Nice thought but it is difficult enough to get consensus within the various airlines let alone across them.
I agree with Missy post #48 -
A surveillance job for CASA. A targeted Line Operations Safety Audit (LOSA) for jet operations into Ballina.
And, surely such an increase should've triggered an Aeronautical Study by CASA. Last one, "Ballina Byron Gateway Airport Safety Analysis for the provision of a - Certified Air/Ground Radio Service" was August 2017.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 12:38
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Genuine question: how effective is a CA/GRS at providing helpful information that standard CTAF procedures don’t? I haven’t flown into a CA/GRS for a long time.

It obviously didn’t help the JQ/Jabiru incident.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 22:16
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All the CA/GRS does is clag up the CTAF frequency with superfluous chatter. The traffic info is being provided by Centre anyway and often at the same time as Ballina Radio. They often are trying to operate a pseudo ATC setup which is not in the job description. Even the weather info is dodgy with comments such as "There is a thunderstorm overhead as I can hear the thunder." The only benefit is for the provision of an accurate QNH and wind direction, definitely not for traffic info.
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Old 29th Mar 2021, 11:34
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It obviously didn’t help the JQ/Jabiru incident.
Without reading the actual transcript (if there is one), according to the prelim report the Jabiru pilot just broadcast to Lismore traffic that he was 4nm east of Lismore and descending. That probably meant zip to the CA/GRO who is concerned with traffic within 10nm of Ballina only. He's not paid to provide a service to Lismore or Casino traffic.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 08:59
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Mr Lookleft, I can only say that from your claim, 'that' service is hardly 'professional'...?
Pertinent ( conflicting) traffic, and weather (if no ATIS), should all be transmitted in a 'professional manner' - clipped (if necessary, due traffic) and accurate.
It IS a 'Flight Information' service.....(FIS)...Yes..??

Cheers

What is the distance Lismore / Ballina?
15nm or thereabouts?
Then, a report '4nm E of Lismore' puts the Jab. approx 11 / 10nm from Ballina, and descending inbound?

Is the CTAF at 10nm Ballina big enough to give time to give traffic?
If a Jet RPT calls at 10nm.....2 1/2 - 3 mins..??
The old 'AFIZ' call at 30nm gave about 7 mins for Jet traffic to be assessed and passed.
Just Sayin'......

Rotsa Ruck.........
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 09:17
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Genuine question: how effective is a CA/GRS at providing helpful information that standard CTAF procedures donít?
Itís a CTAF which talks back to you. Doesnít really add any value.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 12:44
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At the VERY LEAST...you know you are 'on' the correct frequency..............
FWIW......
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 06:53
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At the VERY LEAST...you know you are 'on' the correct frequency
A beepback achieves that without clogging up an already busy frequency.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 08:52
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It's purpose is to make sure the recalcitrants play ball
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:15
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Any chance of a translation to English, maggot?
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Any chance of a translation to English, maggot?
occasionally some aircraft in CTAFs have less than stellar reporting, compliance and/or flare for getting along with others. Someone listening may make those, rare, aircraft play ball a bit more
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