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In fairness maybe the "GA Awareness Course" details whether you should, on a Friday afternoon, start washing the aircraft at the pointy end or the tail end?
If so - worth its weight in gold!
And there I was thinking the training for a Commercial Licence was, in itself, supposed to make you "Commercial Ready".
In fairness maybe the "GA Awareness Course" details whether you should, on a Friday afternoon, start washing the aircraft at the pointy end or the tail end?
If so - worth its weight in gold!
In fairness maybe the "GA Awareness Course" details whether you should, on a Friday afternoon, start washing the aircraft at the pointy end or the tail end?
If so - worth its weight in gold!
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Young Sir,
You might consider playing it real smart and heading for Europe, Ireland or the UK where the real growth has always existed and always will. Multi sector days, 900 hours a year, great CRM and multi cultural flight crew who treat each other politely. It would be a big step to make but it could work out for you. You don't even have to run a Poodle Parlour in Rose Bay to succeed. An added bonus is that there are no little breast pocket list of surnames kept and used.
Asia has lost its appeal for the long term, unless you are a national and can tolerate their special brand of CRM.
Good luck with your choices.
gy
You might consider playing it real smart and heading for Europe, Ireland or the UK where the real growth has always existed and always will. Multi sector days, 900 hours a year, great CRM and multi cultural flight crew who treat each other politely. It would be a big step to make but it could work out for you. You don't even have to run a Poodle Parlour in Rose Bay to succeed. An added bonus is that there are no little breast pocket list of surnames kept and used.
Asia has lost its appeal for the long term, unless you are a national and can tolerate their special brand of CRM.
Good luck with your choices.
gy
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Right now, Europe is dead in water WRT flying jobs. (A bit like Australia I guess).
However, historically, it has rebounded faster than Australia, especially with the jet jobs.
But it's not a case of "I have a CPL/IR with 250 hours, where's my jet job?" - not going to happen unless you're very very lucky.
Most low houred jet FO positions go to the tagged integrated courses.
Converting the licence will take a while and a lot of cost too. (Not to mention the UK/EU Brexit bunfight).
However, historically, it has rebounded faster than Australia, especially with the jet jobs.
But it's not a case of "I have a CPL/IR with 250 hours, where's my jet job?" - not going to happen unless you're very very lucky.
Most low houred jet FO positions go to the tagged integrated courses.
Converting the licence will take a while and a lot of cost too. (Not to mention the UK/EU Brexit bunfight).
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Sorry, Ma'am,
I should have read more of the earlier posts. Yup, try the UK and Euro land and grab some action when it starts up again.
24 different flight deck nationalities in one euro airline and few of them will know what a Darwin Tinny is !
The public is frothing at the mouth for the smell of burnt jet A1.
gy
I should have read more of the earlier posts. Yup, try the UK and Euro land and grab some action when it starts up again.
24 different flight deck nationalities in one euro airline and few of them will know what a Darwin Tinny is !
The public is frothing at the mouth for the smell of burnt jet A1.
gy
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Thanks for the messages and advice. I have received some helpful personal messages and some, not so good. I will work on getting qualified in a Cessna 206 and Caravan. I'll wait 6 months for the market to improve and then move to Darwin to explore options there. I really wished the course co-ordinator made this kind of pathway clear in the beginning. Now that I am over $100,000 debt, I will need to take personal loan of around $10,000 or maybe more to cover more endorsement. There is part of me that feels like I have made a horrible career mistake and before signing up, was misled out of alot of money which I don't know how I can pay back.
Yes, returning to Croatia is an option but the EASA conversion is very expensive. I will need to re-sit all 14 exams again and the government won't provide a student loan for aviation study.
Thanks again for your help everyone.
Yes, returning to Croatia is an option but the EASA conversion is very expensive. I will need to re-sit all 14 exams again and the government won't provide a student loan for aviation study.
Thanks again for your help everyone.
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Thanks for the messages and advice. I have received some helpful personal messages and some, not so good. I will work on getting qualified in a Cessna 206 and Caravan. I'll wait 6 months for the market to improve and then move to Darwin to explore options there. I really wished the course co-ordinator made this kind of pathway clear in the beginning. Now that I am over $100,000 debt, I will need to take personal loan of around $10,000 or maybe more to cover more endorsement. There is part of me that feels like I have made a horrible career mistake and before signing up, was misled out of alot of money which I don't know how I can pay back.
Yes, returning to Croatia is an option but the EASA conversion is very expensive. I will need to re-sit all 14 exams again and the government won't provide a student loan for aviation study.
Thanks again for your help everyone.
Yes, returning to Croatia is an option but the EASA conversion is very expensive. I will need to re-sit all 14 exams again and the government won't provide a student loan for aviation study.
Thanks again for your help everyone.
Universities telling students they’ll be employed in airlines after completing a CPL and taking 120k off each student.
Vet-fee help needs to stop.
Nunc est bibendum
Just a thought. Others closer to the action up there may have some info to add.
I'd say get up there sooner rather than later. Make sure your ATPLs are done (too many say they will do it up there and never do), get your first aid certificate and maybe a light rigid vehicle licence so you can drive a minibus as well, may come in handy. A lot can happen in 6 months so not worth waiting
Steady on, I don't see that she is blaming someone else. A couple of years ago her projected career path would have been a reasonable risk, such was the market then.
Petra I would advise you not to wait 6 months for the market to improve up north, as that would put you at the start of the wet season when much of the tourism work slows down. Go the C206; save your money for the turbine kit later, when you have a definite flying job. Like the IFR twin is expecting too much, they won't turn you loose in a million dollar turbine with 200 hours. If you are really, really good (and are lucky) you may even find your employer will pay for any upgrade training in return for a bond. Some pilots don't approve of bonds, but if done fairly it can work in your favour.
Unless it has changed since my early days, the usual is to head north about easter and start the door-knocking process then, while trying to get whatever other work is to be had to keep you alive.
As for ATPL subjects, I see you already have them. But don't make a big deal of this! Your typical GA tourist operator has no need of the ATPL and in fact if they think you are just there to build hours pending an airline slot it could go against you.
Petra I would advise you not to wait 6 months for the market to improve up north, as that would put you at the start of the wet season when much of the tourism work slows down. Go the C206; save your money for the turbine kit later, when you have a definite flying job. Like the IFR twin is expecting too much, they won't turn you loose in a million dollar turbine with 200 hours. If you are really, really good (and are lucky) you may even find your employer will pay for any upgrade training in return for a bond. Some pilots don't approve of bonds, but if done fairly it can work in your favour.
Unless it has changed since my early days, the usual is to head north about easter and start the door-knocking process then, while trying to get whatever other work is to be had to keep you alive.
As for ATPL subjects, I see you already have them. But don't make a big deal of this! Your typical GA tourist operator has no need of the ATPL and in fact if they think you are just there to build hours pending an airline slot it could go against you.
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Thanks again to the private messages. I have read them and thank you! Some can't come through because my inbox is full. I will look at the C206 and possibly turbine (C208) over the next few months and maybe I will miss the wet season this year?
I am not blaming anyone for my very expensive student debt. Of course I made the decision. But this university should have been more transparent in the beginning... that is all.
Thanks to all of the positive messages.
I am not blaming anyone for my very expensive student debt. Of course I made the decision. But this university should have been more transparent in the beginning... that is all.
Thanks to all of the positive messages.
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100% agree with those who are saying don't bother with the Caravan endorsement. A couple of hours in a C206 won't hurt though. That's the main aeroplane of choice "up North". First Aid, Dangerous Goods etc much much more useful. Barista and or beer pouring skills useful too. (Save the beer drinking skills until after you have that job).
Spend a few hours researching scenic operators "up North". Find out who they are, the boss's name, aircraft types etc.
Whatever you do, please don't think your very expensive super school licence makes you better than the grey haired time worn chief pilot (he/she's only 35 but years of Bungles and the Tavern have taken their toll).
Back in my day, it was usual to arrive in town (Kununurra) Feb/March, get any sort of job, keep your nose clean and hope you get the magic call.
This was the early 90s... So - of course, that info may be well out of date.
This is the info your school should have been up to speed on because this is the reality for the vast number of new pilots in Australia, so shame on the school. (You weren't to know that).
As for Europe? The exams are a pain but that is the relatively cheap part of the deal. There's nothing stopping you from studying the ATPLs now and in a few years time, flying over and doing the famous 2 x 2 week crammer courses if you decide Europe might be a better option. Also, hopefully the whole EU/UK Brexit bunfight will have settled down with a bit more flexibility WRT UK CAA v EASA licences. A few of us have made the journey to Europe and fortunately, it paid off.
Good luck.
PS - giggling at "das Uber Soldat's" comment.
Spend a few hours researching scenic operators "up North". Find out who they are, the boss's name, aircraft types etc.
Whatever you do, please don't think your very expensive super school licence makes you better than the grey haired time worn chief pilot (he/she's only 35 but years of Bungles and the Tavern have taken their toll).
Back in my day, it was usual to arrive in town (Kununurra) Feb/March, get any sort of job, keep your nose clean and hope you get the magic call.
This was the early 90s... So - of course, that info may be well out of date.This is the info your school should have been up to speed on because this is the reality for the vast number of new pilots in Australia, so shame on the school. (You weren't to know that).
As for Europe? The exams are a pain but that is the relatively cheap part of the deal. There's nothing stopping you from studying the ATPLs now and in a few years time, flying over and doing the famous 2 x 2 week crammer courses if you decide Europe might be a better option. Also, hopefully the whole EU/UK Brexit bunfight will have settled down with a bit more flexibility WRT UK CAA v EASA licences. A few of us have made the journey to Europe and fortunately, it paid off.
Good luck.
PS - giggling at "das Uber Soldat's" comment.
Last edited by redsnail; 3rd Mar 2021 at 11:11. Reason: As stated.
A few on here need a trip around up North. I’ve been to a few places recently after not being for many years.
I was amazed at the amount of Caravans, Conquests, King Airs & PC12’s! Yes certainly still the piston fleets as well but the turbines certainly seem to be on the increase.
If you can afford the turbine ticket it could be just another thing to put you in front of the bloke pulling beer next to you. Certainly not a priority though. IFR/ATPL in the back pocket first.
I was amazed at the amount of Caravans, Conquests, King Airs & PC12’s! Yes certainly still the piston fleets as well but the turbines certainly seem to be on the increase.
If you can afford the turbine ticket it could be just another thing to put you in front of the bloke pulling beer next to you. Certainly not a priority though. IFR/ATPL in the back pocket first.