Qantas Second Officer Jobs

[cLeArIcE]

Originally Posted by Superfly Slick Dick

Though, I wish people would stop using the term ‘MECIR’. There is no such thing
With Part 61, there is no more co-pilot instrument rating.
Does the troll mean an IR with a MEA endorsement?
Its written as: IR MEA IAP2D IAP3D if the person also has a 3D endorsement on their IR.

You’re welcome.

Dont be that guy...
Seriously Who cares... Does anyone even read that part 61 garbage. Some pointless idiotic document written by some even bigger pointless idiot in CASA can call it whatever they like.

[petra.oskertrich1995]

So firstly, shame on the men in here which have decided to spit on me for asking a question. I'm actually a female (parents from Croatia) and I am new to aviation but the hate messages I've received via my inbox would make you the troll (not me). Yes, I went to university here in Melbourne and yes I have around 200 hours now. I did the 150-hour integrated course which was part of a double major (Bachelor of Aviation & Business). A mentor suggested that doing the MCC & Jet Orientation course would help us stand out on the resume. I am also looking at doing a course on "airline interview tips". Any suggestions here? (without the haters please).

Thanks to some of you with insightful responses. Some of us at campus have looked at Darwin and Broome. There is also a "GA Ready" course we are looking at doing through Flight Standards. Has anyone had any experience with this course? Apparently the course will help getting a job in the northern area of the country.

[Climb150]

Don't worry, Qantas will have plenty of quality applicants with a "frozen" ATPL!

[McLimit]

Fair enough, Mc.
But surely you see the intent of the Trollingl?
That a 200 hour pilot is quite willing to take your job.
He didn't want 'a' job out in the bush, he wants 'your' job.
That was Petra's wind-up.
Jesus, man!

Mate, he/she's not taking my job, it's gone! And going bush when you can pull a right seat with 200 hours, if that's what you want, do it.

Give it 10 years there wont be any bush jobs, it'll be droned.

[Keg]

Originally Posted by Jnr380

Qantas mainline stopped recruiting in 2008 and didn’t start rehiring till about 2017 so maybe keep other options open

Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault

QF didn't hire for some 10 years ...

Crikey, at this rate of inflation it won’t be long before Qantas hasn’t recruited this century!

January 2009 to August 2016 are the exact dates.

[SIUYA]

I haven't got a dog in this fight, but BALPA is warning prospective pilots to NOT begin training now as a result of the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

BALPA is saying there are 10,000 unemployed pilots in Europe, with 1,000 in the UK alone. However, CAE estimates the industry is going to need 27,000 new pilots in 2021, and 264,000 over the next 10 years because of 'aged-based retirements and attrition.'

Source: Royal Aeronautical Society AEROSPACE, December 2020.

It's clearly a very difficult decision for any prospective pilot faced with a BIG financial outlay to get basic qualifications and absolutely no certainty of employment in the foreseeable future.

If I was starting again and deciding to whether or not to pursue an airline career, I'd forget it and concentrate on becoming a plumber or an electrician.

[McLimit]

I'd forget it and concentrate on becoming a plumber or an electrician.

Or an epidemiologist

[WillieTheWimp]

Originally Posted by petra.oskertrich1995

So firstly, shame on the men in here which have decided to spit on me for asking a question. I'm actually a female (parents from Croatia) and I am new to aviation but the hate messages I've received via my inbox would make you the troll (not me). Yes, I went to university here in Melbourne and yes I have around 200 hours now. I did the 150-hour integrated course which was part of a double major (Bachelor of Aviation & Business). A mentor suggested that doing the MCC & Jet Orientation course would help us stand out on the resume. I am also looking at doing a course on "airline interview tips". Any suggestions here? (without the haters please).

Thanks to some of you with insightful responses. Some of us at campus have looked at Darwin and Broome. There is also a "GA Ready" course we are looking at doing through Flight Standards. Has anyone had any experience with this course? Apparently the course will help getting a job in the northern area of the country.

You need to consider what crowd you are trying to stand out from.

In the case of Qantas, if and when they do eventually hire, 200 hours and a 'jet orientation course' will not make you stand out against a 5000 hour jet pilot. Unfortunately, your mentor has led you up the garden path there.

Now some facts:
1. Assuming you are lucky enough to get a job flying now, you will not be considered by Qantas recruitment for min 5 years, but probably closer to 10 years
2. Once you're considered, you will have to jump through their ridiculous hoops anyway, with a lot of good operators not making the cut, more or less it's a lucky dip.
3. Outside of Australia any contract job will require you to be already type rated with experience on type, usually at least 500 hours
4. Any ex-pat legacy carrier (I use that term loosely) will require you to have some form of previous airline experience( when it's booming, regional turboprop is good enough, when it's not booming then jet airline experience will be required)
5. Your only options in the foreseeable future is either piston single-engine charter or instructing.
6. If you aren't happy with either of those, do something else
7. Finally, don't take advise from flight schools, they will sell ice to an Eskimo

There are no guarantees in aviation and there's a good chance your career will not go in the direction you want. You might be lucky, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Keg]

I’ve some advice. Never, ever take the words of a mentor as being your only source of information. Sure they are providing an input but that still needs to go through a decision making process because ultimately it’s you who will make the decision and you who will wear the consequences. The mentor should be clear and upfront about this.

A good mentor should be able to assist you with pros and cons of various decisions. They should be supportive of you whichever way you choose to go, but the decision is yours and not everything a mentor says is a ‘good idea’ is a good idea. It is very, very rare for me as a mentor to say ‘I think you should do XYZ’ and I’d certainly never say it in terms of a ‘jet orientation’ course.

[DUXNUTZ]

Geez, good old Australian aviation - so quick to lay the boot in and put someone down.

To the OP: I learnt to fly in October 2001. Back then was exactly what they are saying now. “The industry is finished. You’ll never get a job!” Etc etc.

I finished my course, went up to the Territory (got lucky) and eventually the jobs came, industry turned and moved on.

Aviation is full of toxic people that won’t hesitate to say what you cannot do. You set the bar for yourself and give it a crack!!!

[Jnr380]

Originally Posted by petra.oskertrich1995

So firstly, shame on the men in here which have decided to spit on me for asking a question. I'm actually a female (parents from Croatia) and I am new to aviation but the hate messages I've received via my inbox would make you the troll (not me). Yes, I went to university here in Melbourne and yes I have around 200 hours now. I did the 150-hour integrated course which was part of a double major (Bachelor of Aviation & Business). A mentor suggested that doing the MCC & Jet Orientation course would help us stand out on the resume. I am also looking at doing a course on "airline interview tips". Any suggestions here? (without the haters please).

Thanks to some of you with insightful responses. Some of us at campus have looked at Darwin and Broome. There is also a "GA Ready" course we are looking at doing through Flight Standards. Has anyone had any experience with this course? Apparently the course will help getting a job in the northern area of the country.

Don’t trust anything coming from the mouths of anyone at Swinburne, they’re really good at parting people with their money and not giving much in return.

Personally you’re probably better off getting a mentor that is already an airline pilot to mentor you, not some Swinburne hack. Please don’t take this as an attack on you, but I do have experience with Oxford/CAE/GFS organisation and pilots and they’re only in it for themselves

Next thing you know they’ll tell you “oh you should do a King-Air endorsement with us, that will help you consolidate your Jet Prep course!”

Don’t waste your money on these useless courses, You got a CPL / IR with a frozen ATPL? Then you’re GA charter ready! Got an Instructor rating? Then you’re GA instructor ready!

Airlines usually don’t care about if you did this course or that course, they will train you to what they want you to be. Just need to be mentally ready to absorb the amount of info they throw at you and no Jet orientation course will ever prepare you for it.

If you want a testament, I went from GA to Airlines in a space of 3.5 years without doing any useless “prep” courses. I just had a really good mentor who helped me for interview prep.

There is actually a few well respected Airline Pilots floating around Moorabbin that will mentor and will assist you in your path within Aviation

[Australopithecus]

Originally Posted by DUXNUTZ

Geez, good old Australian aviation - so quick to lay the boot in and put someone down.

To the OP: I learnt to fly in October 2001. Back then was exactly what they are saying now. “The industry is finished. You’ll never get a job!” Etc

<snip>

Aviation is full of toxic people that won’t hesitate to say what you cannot do. You set the bar for yourself and give it a crack!!!

They said the same thing in 1974. And there were the same toxic people. But there was disco, which was worse.

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by Australopithecus

They said the same thing in 1974. And there were the same toxic people. But there was disco, which was worse.

Come on, Disco was, and still is, the best.

[Buttscratcher]

Nah, bullshit, no-one could be that stupid.

I'll qualify that simply.
The state of the industry is so severely depressed at the moment, and some nutter is asking for advice on an Airline appointment.
There's a large number of people here, with very high time, very unemployed and wondering how they are going to get it all back, and put food on the table.

Situational friggin' awareness, Petra. Good windup, but not as funny as you first thought.

....and again, this isn't the forum for such an enquiry, nor wind-up.

[Jay Arr]

Originally Posted by McLimit

Or an epidemiologist

That's a pretty crowded market also; there are 26,000,000 of them just in Australia alone these days.

[McLimit]

there are 26,000,000 of them just in Australia alone these days.

Note: 'I've had no experience, but I'll have a look at it for ya'

Rodney Rude, Gynecologist.

[deja vu]

Originally Posted by petra.oskertrich1995

Hey Everyone,

I am seeking knowledge and experience from anyone familiar with the Qantas Second Officer role and when it is likely to be offered again? I am a recent graduate at a flying school here in Melbourne with just under 200 hours (CPL, MECIR, all ATPLS) and looking at Qantas as my dream career when things return to normal soon. Does anyone have any advice on the position?

I have also enrolled in a Multi Crew Co-operation and Jet Orientation course, hoping this will help.

Thank you!!!

Is it even possible to have a CPL and MECIR in under 200 hours? If it is, it shouldn't be.

[morno]

Originally Posted by deja vu

Is it even possible to have a CPL and MECIR in under 200 hours? If it is, it shouldn't be.

Has been for about 20+ years. I don’t know too many operators who would be keen on employing you with those kinds of hours though.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by morno

Has been for about 20+ years. I don’t know too many operators who would be keen on employing you with those kinds of hours though.

Most airlines in the world will take a screened and well trained 250hr pilot and safely put them into the right hand seat of jet/turboprop. And in Australia it’s happened quite frequently over decades as well onto types such as the 320, Q400, ATR, F100, SAAB. This is a debate that’s been more than had on these forums over the years.

[cLeArIcE]

Originally Posted by petra.oskertrich1995

So firstly, shame on the men in here which have decided to spit on me for asking a question .

No offence but you'll get used to people like that. When you do eventually make it at an airline one day,(and with the right attitude, hard Work and a little luck you can...) you will then have the joy sitting next to them all day.. You'll be amazed at how your 3000th MEL-SYD sector with CAVOK at one end and B030 at the other end will feel like a space shuttle launch from Mt Everest.

Chances are you were called off standby to fly with them because the FO that was rostered called in sick. They can usually be found in the briefing room 20 minutes prior to sign on sitting alone. (Good preparation is key for a shuttle launch). They'll brief you on every NOTAM especially that taxiway in Sydney with 3 lights out even though it's ******* 11am. They'll ask your opinion on fuel but before you have a chance to answer, they'll interrupt you with the figure they have already lodged. You can almost feel their erection as they mentally congratulate themselves on some A+ CRM for including the FO. By the way, that fuel figure is usually company minimum. That's especially entertaining when you are bound for Darwin or Cairns in the wet season with no TEMPO on the TAF .

They walk needlessly fast, keen to get to aircraft like it's going to leave without them, usually 5 steps in front of you. They'll finish the brief with some form of the words "I'm 100% SOP." What will follow is a mix of 50% non SOP and 50% SOP from an FCOM that's over 10 years old. They are incredibly fast to notice if you selected the NAV lights on system 1 when today's date is an even day and thus it should be on system 2. They however don't notice their miss-set QNH and MCP ALT but you can just fix that silently when they leave for a pre flight toilet visit.

Your doing well if you've made it to line up clearance without gushing at the marvel of watching this sky god oztrnaught at work. He'll usually mention that there's bit of a crosswind from the left prior to rolling. You make note of about a 3 kt crosswind from the right but nod in agreeance anyway. You almost forgot to call V1 because you were too busy counting every centre line light that was hit on the take off roll. Note that he will mention that 1 you hit on your sector. Within 3 seconds of selecting gear up he will bark at you to ask ATC to cancel speed, but only if your initial departure track is 180 degrees in the wrong direction.

It's a summer afternoon and there is the usual build ups enroute, he'll be sure to avoid the small ones by 50nm and the big ones by 1nm. On the Bright side, if it's a very stormy day, you'll be on your way to having a 10/10 backside from all the arse cheek clenching you'll be doing.

TOPD is approaching, time for a briefing. This will be first conversation you've had in 30mins. He's spent the flight studying the Rivet arrival that hasn't changed much in twenty years. You've been debating whether you should call off sick in Sydney or suffer one more sector and get home tonight. You know you've lost it because for a moment you actually start to miss GA.. But you don't miss being poor and living in some shit hole like Darwin. You come to your senses and realise your at FL160 and haven't paid attention to anything that's happened in the last 10 mins. Time to focus. Concentration now is key. If your aircraft has some sort of smart VNAV system, FMS managed descent etc, the kind that makes it all easy he will almost certainly not use it.

You will be amazed at his butter smooth landing though. Smoothest you will ever feel, you'll never do better. Right at the end of the touch down zone too.
You will now feel your face hit the window as he manually brakes to make the high speed exit. "Fair bit of tailwind there, can't those idiot's in the Tower see it, let them know so they can think about changing runways" you note the 10kt headwind on the windsock and pass the message on anyway.
Your taxi speed stays steady at 30 kts, you begin wondering if he's going to hold short of the approaching runway. More clenching. You try not to laugh as ATC wait until you come to a screeching halt mere millimetres from the hold line to clear you to cross. They obviously know this guy is a ****wit too. You try not to laugh again when he stops short on the Up hill sloped NIGS. Thrust goes up to 45% N1 to get moving again. Part of you hopes he goes too far this time and a tug needs to be called out, just for the LOLs.
Your now shutdown at the gate. Your sector homebound.. He's going to be much more annoying. He'll find away to touch the FMC and MCP at least 5 times as much as on his sector. Smile and laugh, at least you don't Work in an office.

Okay so 95% Of the people you'll fly with are actually great guys and girl's. But these people do exist. Just do whats best for you and block out the noise. Some are probably just dirty they never got into QF. You'll make mistakes along the way and you won't always take the right path but who cares what they think. It's your journey and no one else's. We all take slightly different paths.
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