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Old 27th Jan 2021, 15:56
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Originally Posted by barryt View Post
Any and all questions in life, are valid. Or am I missing something?
You haven't read my post. I said your questions weren't CREDIBLE. You have asked a question as to why a certain percentage has not been achieved (a percentage you freely admit you have CHOSEN), a number which was so vastly contradictory to any form of statistical distribution of the facts being collated by scientist's (you know, they guys that are telling you porky pies), yet it is a credible question? I'm sorry to say your argument on that one is not credible (as I said before if you could just listen at all).

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Come try live in Africa and go around with that attitude, and you will see what I mean...very quickly.
What the hell are you talking about man (or woman). you need to stop posting on forums when you're drinking. My opinion on my understanding of genetics in the human race is not an attitude. Again you perhaps need to listen (or read) to what people are really saying. But I hazard a guess you are so defensive that you are putting context into things which is really not there.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 20:35
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So... the Chinese, American, Russian, UK and European Union leaders and their respective public health authorities, along with the UN and the Murdoch Press and Guardian and most media outlets and health care workers world-wide have colluded together to make everyone believe there is a pandemic when in fact there isn't, it is all a beat up. The hospital staff are working at pretending their ICUs are overflowing and the people providing freezers for temporary mobile mortuaries are in on it too. The discipline not to leak it is a scam, especially from all the doctors and nurses who are spreading false stories of what is happening in their hospitals is a testament to their evil commitment to this conspiracy. Great acting by Boris Johnson when in hospital. However this may all be exposed by a number of African countries who have nobly refused to go along with the conspiracy. I am expecting the rest of the world cabal will soon start pressuring these countries soon and given the power of the new world order they will have to cave.

Yep. Sounds reasonable to me.


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Old 27th Jan 2021, 22:35
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Did we really land on the moon Barry?

Dr Dre gives you the evidence you yearned for, and you dismiss it as rubbish.

Go put your tin foil hat on and **** off. Off you go
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 23:37
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If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

Or if someone dies of COVID-19 but itís not reported does it really exist? 🧐
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 07:13
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Or if someone gets hit by a bus within 28 days of a positive Covid test is that another Covid statistic? Answer - Yes, in the UK
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 07:24
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Any and all question are valid? better a thousand silly questions than one stupid mistake.
However, Barry you continue to make mistakes so maybe you should stop questioning and call it damage limitation.
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 09:08
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 15:53
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A lot of nonsense written on this thread Africa, along with many other developing areas has :-

1 A young population. 2 A small over 65 population. 3 A basic health care system, there are very few with complex health issues that are vulnerable to Covid 19, many cannot afford the medication, nor is there a high incidence of diabetes. Also probably many deaths are recorded as malaria or one of the other tropical diseases that are widespread for political reasons.
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Old 30th Jan 2021, 23:48
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But back to "Much of the World reopening in March".

Well, we're 4 weeks out from March and much of the world is shutting down as we speak largely due to the new variants.

Many countries in EU banning flights from UAE due to soaring rates there and the SA strain (even though UAE have vaccinated 3 million of their 9 million population).

France has banned all non EU flights.
Israel banned all pax flights full stop.
etc.

And many many more countries are enforcing quarantine, if not for all travellers then for those who have visited variant hot spot countries.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 00:34
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
But back to "Much of the World reopening in March".

Well, we're 4 weeks out from March and much of the world is shutting down as we speak largely due to the new variants.

Many countries in EU banning flights from UAE due to soaring rates there and the SA strain (even though UAE have vaccinated 3 million of their 9 million population).

France has banned all non EU flights.
Israel banned all pax flights full stop.
etc.

And many many more countries are enforcing quarantine, if not for all travellers then for those who have visited variant hot spot countries.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Unfortunately I do believe you are right.

Jetstar still seem to think otherwise.

Is a Singapore travel bubble in the pipeline?




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Old 31st Jan 2021, 00:38
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
But back to "Much of the World reopening in March".

Well, we're 4 weeks out from March and much of the world is shutting down as we speak largely due to the new variants.

Many countries in EU banning flights from UAE due to soaring rates there and the SA strain (even though UAE have vaccinated 3 million of their 9 million population).

France has banned all non EU flights.
Israel banned all pax flights full stop.
etc.

And many many more countries are enforcing quarantine, if not for all travellers then for those who have visited variant hot spot countries.

It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Correct, In addition UK is investigating adopting Australia's 14 day hotel quarantine regime for arriving travelers. There remains ZERO chance that international travel will reopen with any assuredness before September or October at the earliest. There is no justification for QF to be selling any international fares before 30/9 at the earliest (though realistically 1/1/22 is more appropriate) and the ACCC should be reminding them firmly that doing so is in breach of the TPA and exposes them to significant fines.

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Old 31st Jan 2021, 00:48
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I'm not so negative that there can't be a surge of travel by mid year. IATA are developing a digital travel pass that "proves" travellers' vaccination status. I think in the next few months that borders will gradually open in some countries to those travellers who have been vaccinated and can show the IATA pass.
One more mutation or final proof that the vaccination does not stop you being infectious and transmissible will push that timeline back...
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 06:37
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Originally Posted by compressor stall View Post
I'm not so negative that there can't be a surge of travel by mid year. IATA are developing a digital travel pass that "proves" travellers' vaccination status. I think in the next few months that borders will gradually open in some countries to those travellers who have been vaccinated and can show the IATA pass.
One more mutation or final proof that the vaccination does not stop you being infectious and transmissible will push that timeline back...
I think the issue at this stage though Stally, is the vaccine doesnít stop you from carrying the virus. Hence you can still take it into the countries.
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 07:06
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I think the issue at this stage though Stally, is the vaccine doesn’t stop you from carrying the virus. Hence you can still take it into the countries.
Agreed, hence my last sentence. The countries that will be first to open will be ones that have their population largely vaccinated (eg UAE that is currently at 30% of its population, and doing 100K vaccinations a day - extrapolating should have the whole done by the end of March. It is the SinoVac though)
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 07:41
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
I think the issue at this stage though Stally, is the vaccine doesnít stop you from carrying the virus. Hence you can still take it into the countries.
Early indication is that it is significantly reduced though.
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 08:14
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Originally Posted by barryt View Post
You're probably right. But since I don't belong to any other forums, and have belonged to this one for years, nay...decades actually, and since I am an aviator myself, I prefer to bounce off other like-minded folks (who tend to have more "intelligence" than most...well mostly, anyway), and especially since this whole COVID thing has impacted the aviation industry more so than probably any other industry...

If any industry should be asking my fundamental questions and trying to get decent answers, it must be the aviation industry...which has all but been decimated by what I now call... "pork pies"...around the entire COVID issue, being told and sold, by all-and-sundry, the world over...

Which is why I posted on this forum.
You've been on PPRuNe for decades and you're so confident about your dumbarse conspiracy theory you're too embarrassed to log in under your usual self?

The industry isn't asking YOUR fundamental questions because they already have the answers.

Before you go flying do you pay the Voodoo doctor to say a spell for your wellbeing?

I hope you've had a vasectomy.
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 08:20
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No travel bubble afaik. I think they're just they're being prepared in case things open up faster than expected, or to gauge how willing people will be to travel when there may still be some virus apprehension. If the flight is canceled do you get a refund or another bs travel voucher? They don't lose either way if that's the case.
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 15:14
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There will probably be some limited travel allowed around the middle of the year with the following conditions:

1. Traveller is vaccinated.
2. Traveller has negative COVID test.
3. Travel is between countries with a substantial proportion of their populations vaccinated.
4. Traveller has COVID insurance.

If these conditions are met then the risk factor should be acceptable. Six months isn't unrealistic for developed countries to achieve a reasonable level of vaccination and they will be the first to open up to each other, COVID cases will still occur but in manageable numbers which can be contained and treated.

A more widespread opening will likely take until the end of the year as a greater level of vaccination is achieved and results can be evaluated.
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 21:46
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When entire capital cities are locked-down for case numbers in the single digits, do you really think they'll allow overseas arrivals without at least 14 days quarantine and thus little more than the current limited numbers until such time as they can be near certain there'll be no chance of another outbreak?
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Old 31st Jan 2021, 22:24
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See point 3, once most of the population has been vaccinated the risk factor should be acceptable as a vaccinated traveller with a negative test result is very unlikely to have the disease. If he does, and the vaccination rate in the country he visits is high, then he is unlikely to pass it on.

After being vaccinated, anyone who catches COVID is unlikely to get very sick. A few cases here and there is something we’re going to have to live with for the foreseeable future but mass waves and hospitalisations with hundreds of deaths per day should be coming to an end.

Some countries such as Thailand are highly dependent on foreign visitors and need to open up soon, Australia less so but it can’t stay isolated forever.
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