EK suspending flights from East Coast Oz
- 10,000 ft runway
- reasonably secure in that location would deter absconders
- the facility previously operated as Curtin Immigration Reception and Processing Centre
- the base was supposed to get a $100m ++ upgrade in the last few years
- if you're going to spend that sort of money then you may as well use it for something
I don't think that there was any suggestion that military personnel had to be deployed to Curtin, only that the facility could be used because;
- 10,000 ft runway
- reasonably secure in that location would deter absconders
- the facility previously operated as Curtin Immigration Reception and Processing Centre
- the base was supposed to get a $100m ++ upgrade in the last few years
- if you're going to spend that sort of money then you may as well use it for something
Well of you may not know but most military people live off base now. "Living out allowance" saw to that. There are literally thousands of empty rooms around Australia at various bases.
What are all our infantry Regiments doing right now? What about artillery and Armour units? We have thousands of full time and thousands of reserve people available.
What are all our infantry Regiments doing right now? What about artillery and Armour units? We have thousands of full time and thousands of reserve people available.
However why should those servicemen on base be subjected to the possibility that they may be infected?
Have things changed, or is it still the case that pretty much every one of those thousands of rooms doesn’t have its own bathroom or toilet? I’m not sure that shared facilities are really what you’d want when quarantining for a highly infectious disease.
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Some bases may be able to handle some people but on aggregate across the nation not on the scale you’re suggesting.
I presume they’re doing their day jobs?
The fact that most people live off (and have done for a couple of decades or more) is why there are no longer ‘thousands’ of empty rooms on bases. Many of those facilities have either been demolished or are not in a state where they can be easily converted to quarantine facilities. Think shared ablution facilities (not a great thing when trying to quarantine people), difficulties arranging for meals to be delivered to rooms, transport and logistics issues transporting people to/from capital city airports, lack of suitable mass laundry facilities, security issues on the ADF bases, etc.
Some bases may be able to handle some people but on aggregate across the nation not on the scale you’re suggesting.
I presume they’re doing their day jobs?
Some bases may be able to handle some people but on aggregate across the nation not on the scale you’re suggesting.
I presume they’re doing their day jobs?
I don't know of one accommodation block that has been demolished on any active base in the last 20 years.
As for infantry and artillery doing their day jobs, are we off fighting any conflicts at the moment? No, most military people are training all the time which is what they do when not overseas. As none of our military (apart from navy) is going anywhere anytime soon, maybe they can be utilized somewhere else?
I will admit most military accommodation is pretty basic but hardly any still have shared bathrooms and wouldn't require much to get up to standard.
Friends of mine who finally got home after having numerous flights cancelled, said they would have done quarantine in a tent if that was what's required.
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I mean how many ADF personnel are already used in HQ, hundreds? Thousands?
In terms of "Facilities", The private sector is able to build camps to service thousand of FIFO workers living in remote places, including their own airport in many cases! Yet gov cant set up some idle RAAF bases...
Another "Celebrity" found absent from her multi million dollar property in country NSW after flying in from LA...these people could really do with two weeks in a donga....
In terms of "Facilities", The private sector is able to build camps to service thousand of FIFO workers living in remote places, including their own airport in many cases! Yet gov cant set up some idle RAAF bases...
Another "Celebrity" found absent from her multi million dollar property in country NSW after flying in from LA...these people could really do with two weeks in a donga....
- It would put the thirty-two hotels being used at the moment out of business, and throw all their thousands of staff onto the unemployment benefit, both factors costing the government a big pile of money. There are no international travellers to fill up these hotels.
- There is no space in the NZDF's facilities to accommodate thousands of returnees. The NZDF two years ago started on a ten-year two-billion-dollar programme to bring its facilities up to the state where it is reasonable to ask 2020s soldiers to live in them. The vast majority of the barracks were built forty or more years ago and are frankly crappy - I was at a meeting where the then CDF said "I would dearly love to drive a bulldozer through every building in Linton [Army Camp] and start from scratch, but we don't have the budget". One senior politician suggested the NZDF should build a suitable facility at RNZAF Base Ohakea, where there is some 'spare' land. It would need not just accommodation, but medical facilities, more accommodation for the staff, a major upgrade to the base power supply grid and a whole new sewage treatment and disposal system for a small town of four or five thousand people. If it was done at stampede pace with no consideration of costs, it would take at least two to three years.
All of you legal Eagles (don't give up your day job) do realise that any of those laws you are quoting about not being able to deny entry to a citizen blah blah DO NOT APPLY IN A PANDEMIC??
I don't know of one accommodation block that has been demolished on any active base in the last 20 years.
Trump did more for the USA in 4 years than Obama in 8 years. China and the Middle East are going walk over Biden.
Reason Trump was a business man first not a politician. He got the rust belt areas out of the doldrums knew how to create jobs.
Plus he stood up to China, manufactured more goods in the US, and had a North Korean shrimp on the barbie with rocket man.
Back to the topic good opportunity for the good old airlines that once served Australia as in KLM, Lufthansa, Alitalia, Austrian,
BA,Virgin Atlantic, LOT, shame Olympic have gone Melbourne was or is it still the 3rd biggest Greek city in the world.
Only saying this for nostalgic sake, not the economics.
Reason Trump was a business man first not a politician. He got the rust belt areas out of the doldrums knew how to create jobs.
Plus he stood up to China, manufactured more goods in the US, and had a North Korean shrimp on the barbie with rocket man.
Back to the topic good opportunity for the good old airlines that once served Australia as in KLM, Lufthansa, Alitalia, Austrian,
BA,Virgin Atlantic, LOT, shame Olympic have gone Melbourne was or is it still the 3rd biggest Greek city in the world.
Only saying this for nostalgic sake, not the economics.
The European airlines couldn't compete with the Asian and ME hub airlines which could offer most Australian cities, to most major and many secondary cities in Europe with one stop at a hub which gave them a low operating cost.
If the hub airlines can't make it work at the moment then it's unlikely anyone can.
If the hub airlines can't make it work at the moment then it's unlikely anyone can.
RAAF Williams Building 111 (Female Accommodation Block-approx.1000 sqm);
* Building 39 (Sergeants Mess / Accom.Building-approx 1800 sqm);
* Building 54 (Small Boiler Room Building associated with Building 39); and
* Building 44 (Weatherboard vehicle garages-of some Heritage significance and will be surveyed and photographed by others prior to demolition.).
The following listed buildings represent the demolition scope for Maygar Barracks:
Buildings: 16, 17, 18, 202, 215, 400, 415, 417, 461, 499, 598, 600, 733, 736, 753, 754, 755, 756, 757, and 758. Most are single and double storey Accommodation buildings, some small outbuildings are included.
Did anyone else read about and see the temporary Quarantine Singapore put up at the start of the pandemic? Thousands of beds at in the expo, then thousands in massive white tents both at expo and also at the cruise ship wharves. Plus all of the logistical equipment to go with it.
And...... it worked. No it was not 5 star.
More to the point in Aus as previously suggested is that this IS saving a large portion of hotels.
Anything can be done if it needs to be done.
However not when leaders cannot make decisions.
And...... it worked. No it was not 5 star.
More to the point in Aus as previously suggested is that this IS saving a large portion of hotels.
Anything can be done if it needs to be done.
However not when leaders cannot make decisions.
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I don't know of one accommodation block that has been demolished on any active base in the last 20 years.
As for infantry and artillery doing their day jobs, are we off fighting any conflicts at the moment? No, most military people are training all the time which is what they do when not overseas. As none of our military (apart from navy) is going anywhere anytime soon, maybe they can be utilized somewhere else?
I will admit most military accommodation is pretty basic but hardly any still have shared bathrooms and wouldn't require much to get up to standard.
Friends of mine who finally got home after having numerous flights cancelled, said they would have done quarantine in a tent if that was what's required.
As for infantry and artillery doing their day jobs, are we off fighting any conflicts at the moment? No, most military people are training all the time which is what they do when not overseas. As none of our military (apart from navy) is going anywhere anytime soon, maybe they can be utilized somewhere else?
I will admit most military accommodation is pretty basic but hardly any still have shared bathrooms and wouldn't require much to get up to standard.
Friends of mine who finally got home after having numerous flights cancelled, said they would have done quarantine in a tent if that was what's required.
It's a slippery slope to suggest utilising military personnel because they are just 'training.' What are they training for? Their primary roles for one. A lot of job profiles require a high level of proficiency that deteriorates significantly. There have been and still are a large number of personnel assigned to covid tasking. It would lead to a significant gap in capability that is not easily rectified if too many people are taken away from their primary roles. It's not the simple and consequence free solution you make it out to be.
There are still overseas ops occuring, you just may not be aware of them.
Also a major saving part of the business of those few airlines flying capped pax numbers into Aus is carrying decent numbers out on the return trip, plus a belly full of freight. If they have to arrive at a deserted location to drop off those arriving pax, where do the outbound pax and freight come from? If you expect them to then continue on to their original destination empty...?
If the solution is to expect outbound pax to all fly domestically to that same isolated airfield to await their outward connection, you have another problem of dealing with those passengers as well.
If the solution is to expect outbound pax to all fly domestically to that same isolated airfield to await their outward connection, you have another problem of dealing with those passengers as well.