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Qantas outsources ground handling, slams TWU proposal

Old 30th Nov 2020, 00:53
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Qantas outsources ground handling, slams TWU proposal

Qantas has this morning notified around 2000 employees that it will move to outsource ground handling operations at 10 airports across Australia as it works to recover from the COVID crisis.
In August, the airline announced its reasons for needing to restructure its ground handling operations, which includes baggage handling and aircraft cleaning, and commenced a review of external bids from specialist ground handlers and in-house bids from employees and their representatives.
The Qantas media release claims the TWU bids were not up to snuff, despite the TWU being given several extensions, and also comes out swinging against a number of reported TWU claims.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...ling-services/
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 00:58
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Swissport?

Who picked up the Jetstar work? I see those guys have already gone.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 02:08
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Shattered for those guys and girls. Light at the end of the covid tunnel...
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 02:35
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Theyíre sharing the load around, have to keep the ground handlers on their toes. All of the major ground handlers getting at least a couple of ports.

This has been predicted since privatisation so to take this long is remarkable. Whatís next...

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Old 30th Nov 2020, 04:33
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It sounds most of the impacted staff found out the decision through the media - which is never the way you want to hear your future

Good luck to all impacted- I hope you have a better future and get treated better wherever your future lies
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 05:01
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hold on, qantas claiming it's saving $100,000,000.oo a year by getting rid of 2000 employees. If my maths is correct (had 1/2 dozen beers, so might be wrong), they are saving $50,000.oo per employee. How much were they paid ?
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so after 7th beer, I figure they must have been on around $100,000.oo a year on average & contract guys will be earning $50,000.oo ?

Is this correct ?

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Old 30th Nov 2020, 05:32
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so after 7th beer, I figure they must have been on around $100,000.oo a year on average & contract guys will be earning $50,000.oo ?
Is this correct ?
For full time staff, you are fairly close. What will be fun to watch is Alanís precious OTP. In the regional ports (out of sight/out of mind) itís not unusual to have turnaround delays, baggage delivery delays and so on due to very very minimal contract staff due to the contracts being so financially lean. Letís see how they go with the bigger jets in the mainline ports. And not to mention some of the ancient and crappy GSE operated by newbies and muppets that regularly damage aircraft during turnarounds. Letís see how much that adds up to per annum, Alan.


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How much Fringe Benefit Tax does QF pay for staff travel per annum,
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 05:48
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so after 7th beer, I figure they must have been on around $100,000.oo a year on average & contract guys will be earning $50,000.oo ?

Is this correct ?
Itís not (primarily) the wages, mostly the flexibility and productivity.

Menzies and dnata pay comparable or better wages. The bottom feeders pay less but not 50% less.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 06:42
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I would like to congratulate Qantas on becoming our latest LCC. Your last 100 years have been magnificent as being Australia's legacy carrier.
Usually when you start up an LCC airline you outsource your baggage and cleaners obviously to keep those exorbitant extremely high costs down.
To the fantastic 2000 people your pain is AJs pay-packet gain.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 06:45
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 09:18
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I canít wait for the ďamazingĒ turn around in the profit sometime next year. Amazing what a dominant, virtual monopoly market share and a pandemic can do to your bottom line.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
I would like to congratulate Qantas on becoming our latest LCC. Your last 100 years have been magnificent as being Australia's legacy carrier.
Usually when you start up an LCC airline you outsource your baggage and cleaners obviously to keep those exorbitant extremely high costs down.
To the fantastic 2000 people your pain is AJs pay-packet gain.
They have no idea how much money will be saved,this is just another exercise in keeping the kpi's going for the right fighting execs that tell us they care about employees & their families.
The idea that no decision had been made & a bid by the in house team would be looked at is just another botched pr stunt.
I guess there may be positions for some of the affected guys with the successful bidders but theres a couple of those bidders who need to be avoided as far as employers go.
As another post has said,lets see how the OTP works now as these contracted ground handling outfits work out firstly how to get experienced employees & then try & pay them the lowest possible rate.
So many long serving decent people been thrown on the scrap heap by self serving corporate greed,disgusting behaviour.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 20:06
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Great, give more money to the Chinese owned ground service providers instead of our own families, way to go Australia.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 20:14
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Originally Posted by MelbourneFlyer View Post
The Qantas media release claims the TWU bids were not up to snuff, despite the TWU being given several extensions, and also comes out swinging against a number of reported TWU claims.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/me...ling-services/
Standard response,written many months ago.
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 20:29
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Are we really all that surprised at the SkyGods little head grub? Remember his job is to get the best return for the share holders no matter what it takes, oh and stuff his pockets with as much cash as possible as the 'thing' still knows the general public think he's doing a wonderful job of Australia's Airline (term used loosely!)

Employes haven't got a chance in this weak nation of ours in any industry!
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Old 30th Nov 2020, 23:00
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Is it me or does the modus operandi of Alan’s management team appears to be “You stand up to us , we will cut you down !” ?
ALEA Engineers ,eviserated.
TWU , as good as excised .
Both Unions featuring prominently, slow baking Qantas during the EA negotiation period .
Who’s next ?
Pilots and AIPA , to a lesser extent AFAP , particularly JetStar and subsidiary constituents?
ASU and office staff ?
Who will remain ?
How much of Qantas can you subcontract out before it’s no longer culturally Qantas ?
Does the Qantas Sale Act play any part here ?
When is restructuring just an excuse to circumvent transmission of business ?
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 03:33
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Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket View Post
Is it me or does the modus operandi of Alanís management team appears to be ďYou stand up to us , we will cut you down !Ē ?
ALEA Engineers ,eviserated.
TWU , as good as excised .
Both Unions featuring prominently, slow baking Qantas during the EA negotiation period .
Whoís next ?
Pilots and AIPA , to a lesser extent AFAP , particularly JetStar and subsidiary constituents?
ASU and office staff ?
Who will remain ?
How much of Qantas can you subcontract out before itís no longer culturally Qantas ?
Does the Qantas Sale Act play any part here ?
When is restructuring just an excuse to circumvent transmission of business ?
Cobham 717 made HUGE gains in their last EBA, purchased by QF and brought into the fold, no longer outsourced.

I do agree that QF are dedicated to the destruction of an organised work force though.
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Originally Posted by blow.n.gasket View Post
Is it me or does the modus operandi of Alan’s management team appears to be “You stand up to us , we will cut you down !” ?
ALEA Engineers ,eviserated.
TWU , as good as excised .
Both Unions featuring prominently, slow baking Qantas during the EA negotiation period .
Who’s next ?
Pilots and AIPA , to a lesser extent AFAP , particularly JetStar and subsidiary constituents?
ASU and office staff ?
Who will remain ?
How much of Qantas can you subcontract out before it’s no longer culturally Qantas ?
Does the Qantas Sale Act play any part here ?
When is restructuring just an excuse to circumvent transmission of business ?
Correct.
This goes way back to the shutdown in 2011.
Forward bookings over Christmas that year crashed when the ALEA and TWU threatened to slow-bake the airline.
Hence the shutdown.
AJ has a long memory and has been nursing his wrath to keep it warm ever since.
Now is the perfect opportunity.
AIPA might be safe but thats about it.
Surprised it took him so long really.
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