Qantas outsources ground handling, slams TWU proposal
What a load of ignorant junk. You clearly have zero understanding of the law or just waste your free time manipulating others that have little understanding of the law.
The Justice ruled based on law as its written and was intended. The fact that it doesn’t suit the company narrative or the commercial reasons for the decision are irrelevant.
Australian companies can outsource elements of their business as long as they follow the law and don’t attempt to manipulate and mislead the court. Judges do not like that
The Justice ruled based on law as its written and was intended. The fact that it doesn’t suit the company narrative or the commercial reasons for the decision are irrelevant.
Australian companies can outsource elements of their business as long as they follow the law and don’t attempt to manipulate and mislead the court. Judges do not like that
If the company have been found to manipulate the law or mislead the court as it seems they have it looks like they have a problem on their hands & if the decision had gone with them they would not have been shy at promoting how right they were.
Pretty sure theres a saying along the lines of 'whats good for the goose is good for the gander'
What a load of ignorant junk. You clearly have zero understanding of the law or just waste your free time manipulating others that have little understanding of the law.
The Justice ruled based on law as its written and was intended. The fact that it doesn’t suit the company narrative or the commercial reasons for the decision are irrelevant.
Australian companies can outsource elements of their business as long as they follow the law and don’t attempt to manipulate and mislead the court. Judges do not like that
The Justice ruled based on law as its written and was intended. The fact that it doesn’t suit the company narrative or the commercial reasons for the decision are irrelevant.
Australian companies can outsource elements of their business as long as they follow the law and don’t attempt to manipulate and mislead the court. Judges do not like that
So Qantas appealed and lost the appeal, according to the ABC this morning. EAD AJ - even the legal fraternity, with their overly complex weasel words - saw straight through what you did. Here's hoping each and every employee gets a significant payout...
Qantas has lost its appeal against a Federal Court decision that found the outsourcing of about 2,000 ground crew workers was illegal.
Last year, in one of the largest reinstatement cases ever heard, the Federal Court found in favour of the Transport Workers Union (TWU) against Qantas in challenging the outsourcing of about 2,000 jobs by the airline. It found Qantas' decision to outsource the baggage-handling and cleaning jobs was in breach of the Fair Work Act. Qantas appealed that decision, but the Full Federal Court on Wednesday dismissed the airline's attempt to overturn a ruling that it sacked workers illegally.
Further remedy hearings will now take place to determine the compensation Qantas should pay to workers, as well as the penalties for the illegal sackings. In December, the Federal Court rejected TWU's application for reinstatement of workers' jobs. The TWU is now calling for a substantial compensation package for workers.
It also has called on the Qantas board to sack its chief executive, Alan Joyce, and the key decision-maker in the outsourcing case, domestic and international chief executive Andrew David. "Through unity, resilience and determination, Qantas workers have achieved a huge victory," TWU national secretary Michael Kaine said. After a horror 18-months having lifelong careers savagely and illegally ripped away from them, workers stood tall and took on one of the harshest and most powerful companies in the country. "Today those workers have been heard, vindicated, and celebrated for their courage.
"Qantas executives deliberately targeted and attacked workers and broke the law in sacking them to prevent them exercising their rights."
More to come.
Last year, in one of the largest reinstatement cases ever heard, the Federal Court found in favour of the Transport Workers Union (TWU) against Qantas in challenging the outsourcing of about 2,000 jobs by the airline. It found Qantas' decision to outsource the baggage-handling and cleaning jobs was in breach of the Fair Work Act. Qantas appealed that decision, but the Full Federal Court on Wednesday dismissed the airline's attempt to overturn a ruling that it sacked workers illegally.
Further remedy hearings will now take place to determine the compensation Qantas should pay to workers, as well as the penalties for the illegal sackings. In December, the Federal Court rejected TWU's application for reinstatement of workers' jobs. The TWU is now calling for a substantial compensation package for workers.
It also has called on the Qantas board to sack its chief executive, Alan Joyce, and the key decision-maker in the outsourcing case, domestic and international chief executive Andrew David. "Through unity, resilience and determination, Qantas workers have achieved a huge victory," TWU national secretary Michael Kaine said. After a horror 18-months having lifelong careers savagely and illegally ripped away from them, workers stood tall and took on one of the harshest and most powerful companies in the country. "Today those workers have been heard, vindicated, and celebrated for their courage.
"Qantas executives deliberately targeted and attacked workers and broke the law in sacking them to prevent them exercising their rights."
More to come.
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Surprise Surprise, we all knew it was wrong and now the outsourcing has been deemed illegal.
with the current ground handling disaster show and the Compensation and Fines that saving of several million
dollars Qantas was crapping on about during the event now looks like chicken feed, Heads need to roll and lots of them,
they don’t even have decent legal advice as it was wrong.
with the current ground handling disaster show and the Compensation and Fines that saving of several million
dollars Qantas was crapping on about during the event now looks like chicken feed, Heads need to roll and lots of them,
they don’t even have decent legal advice as it was wrong.
Surprise Surprise, we all knew it was wrong and now the outsourcing has been deemed illegal.
with the current ground handling disaster show and the Compensation and Fines that saving of several million
dollars Qantas was crapping on about during the event now looks like chicken feed, Heads need to roll and lots of them,
they don’t even have decent legal advice as it was wrong.
with the current ground handling disaster show and the Compensation and Fines that saving of several million
dollars Qantas was crapping on about during the event now looks like chicken feed, Heads need to roll and lots of them,
they don’t even have decent legal advice as it was wrong.
They need to be hung out to dry over this litany of lies & the money they have wasted should be repaid out of their personal bank accounts.
They were on a union busting mission,nothing to do with saving money or any of the other excuses they could think up.
A dedicated service provider such as Swissport can be more viable and flexible as it can obtain better utilisation and therefore productivity from its workforce. Their bag chuckers can go from one customer’s aircraft to another and then to another with little or no gaps. This is how costs are held down - you don’t requires as many people. On the other hand, if the same people worked for one carrier, they may well be idle for sometime between tasks, depending in that carrier's schedules.............!
Outsourced handling companies give their staff very poor terms and conditions. Many are on zero hours contracts - they are only paid if they turn up to work. During busy times, after taxiing in, you sometimes have to wait ages even for steps, let alone getting your passenger's luggage unloaded. And if you need a wheelchair for one of your passengers, you will typically wait 40+ minutes. Been there, suffered that (too) many times.
Sometimes, there is nobody to even turn on the stand guidance, so you can't even turn onto your stand. At weekends, or when there is a significant sporting event on the telly, there is a mysteriously high sickness rate amongst the handling staff.
It's a crock of ****. You cannot reliably run an airline if you outsource your ground handling, because you lose control over your ground handling. Ditto engineering.
PS, the bosses who caused all this do not care a damn. They will make another million or so each and then move on to the next company.
It doesn't work; been there, seen that many times, (UK large and medium airports).
Outsourced handling companies give their staff very poor terms and conditions. Many are on zero hours contracts - they are only paid if they turn up to work. During busy times, you sometimes have to wait ages even for steps, let alone getting your passenger's luggage unloaded. And if you need a wheelchair for one of your passengers, you will typically wait 40+ minutes. Been there, seen that (too) many times.
Sometimes, there is nobody to even turn on the stand guidance, so you can't even turn onto your stand. At weekends, or when there is a significant sporting event on the telly, there is a mysteriously high sickness rate amongst the handling staff.
It's a crock of ****. You cannot reliably run an airline if you outsource your ground handling, because you lose control over your ground handling. Ditto engineering.
Outsourced handling companies give their staff very poor terms and conditions. Many are on zero hours contracts - they are only paid if they turn up to work. During busy times, you sometimes have to wait ages even for steps, let alone getting your passenger's luggage unloaded. And if you need a wheelchair for one of your passengers, you will typically wait 40+ minutes. Been there, seen that (too) many times.
Sometimes, there is nobody to even turn on the stand guidance, so you can't even turn onto your stand. At weekends, or when there is a significant sporting event on the telly, there is a mysteriously high sickness rate amongst the handling staff.
It's a crock of ****. You cannot reliably run an airline if you outsource your ground handling, because you lose control over your ground handling. Ditto engineering.
Of course,the morons at the top who dont give 2 fu..s about anyone except themselves will continue to dream up excuses to make themselves look good.
Surprise Surprise, we all knew it was wrong and now the outsourcing has been deemed illegal.
with the current ground handling disaster show and the Compensation and Fines that saving of several million
dollars Qantas was crapping on about during the event now looks like chicken feed, Heads need to roll and lots of them,
they don’t even have decent legal advice as it was wrong.
with the current ground handling disaster show and the Compensation and Fines that saving of several million
dollars Qantas was crapping on about during the event now looks like chicken feed, Heads need to roll and lots of them,
they don’t even have decent legal advice as it was wrong.
Qantas will appeal this to the High Court. This is not over yet, by a long shot.
The High Court will take the entire Constitutional aspect of this into consideration, in terms of commerce and trade and other commercial factors. I would be surprised if they don't overturn the lower courts but stand to be surprised if they don't - at stake here is a principle that a business should have the right to determine how work is performed and by whom.
The TWU weren't so concerned about the workers and the propriety of how things were being conducted when every opportunity to screw the company was taken advantage of for decades. No thought was given to the fact that one day, this might just become a bit too expensive to continue.
I don't buy the nonsense about contractors being universally incapable of the same level of service as in-house, Qantas has employed contractors everywhere outside Australia for it's entire international presence - over decades - and many places in Australia too. This notion that all contractors are incapable belies companies like SkyStar (now owned by Menzies) who were higher quality than most in house operations or HallMark in the USA which is partly owned by Qantas in fact and is the ground hander of choice, certainly at LAX and SFO and a number of other airports on the West Coast.
I don't see shareholders doing a runner from QAN, they seem to be pretty happy with the way the company is being run and the rise in the price of their shares. I'm guessing they're happier than the former VAH shareholders who walked away with nothing.
Handling agents aren’t universally incapable of anything. But they certainly are incapable here because of their poor wages/split shifts/shallow pool of willing serfs.
Those of us who have to operate in the current system are all too aware that customers are being treated poorly. More importantly, the customers know too, and they have choices.
Those of us who have to operate in the current system are all too aware that customers are being treated poorly. More importantly, the customers know too, and they have choices.
