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Old 28th Dec 2020, 21:01
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Two things - why does she not have piped water available?
And has she ever looked at the stuff on her roof? Bird poo, possum poo, dead insects, road dust, diesel particulates, blah blah. And when the jet fuel burns, it is hot, so it usually goes upwards.
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Old 28th Dec 2020, 21:22
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But when I request a visual approach I'm just doing my bit for the environment - shorter flight path, lower emissions. Don't Airservices have a policy about that somewhere......
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 00:40
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Part of the problem is that this has impacted a large group of people who now have access to various social media platforms.
As mentioned earlier we've previously lived directly under the Brekky Crk arrival where aircraft would pass at 3000ft and now at Newstead where, prior to 01L/19R opening, we had aircraft passing close by at about 1800 ft. Yes, you'd notice the aircraft but soon became used to it to the point of rarely noticing. Now those under the flight path continually remind each other and thus they will never adapt.

Unfortunately too, many believe it's primarily the airlines and the pilots who are responsible, deliberately "taking short-cuts" over the impacted suburbs and flying lower to save fuel!

Many on the faceplant site ​​want the aircraft diverted over 'industrial' - that is lower socio-econom​​​ic area​s - that have borne the brunt of aircraft flyovers for years and years.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out as it is bound to become very much a political issue at each subsequent local, state and federal election.
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 01:06
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Rec Post 22.

In my youth growing up in Brisbane in the 50''s and 60''s, one of the daily pleasures in summer was to get a drink of cool "clean" water from Grandma's tank next door. To keep the mosquito larvae from the tank my grandfather would pour a half cup of kero into the tank on the first of each month. Given the propensity for the liquid to disperse to a molecule thick layer it was a gross overkill but seems to have done my health no harm at all. I must admit that these days I do tire a little earlier than I did in my 20's and 30's and do not seem to have the same attraction for young women as I remember from the 1980's but I suspect there are other reasons. Perhaps the snowflakes should be paying for the service being provided to keep their tanks larvae free.

As I noted in my earlier post, the flight paths were no secret from the beginnings of the airport. Due diligence? Caveat emptor? Or perhaps too much entitlement.

MJG

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Old 29th Dec 2020, 03:37
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Originally Posted by MakeItHappenCaptain View Post
Just one of the legitimate concerns from a member;

Is this person living next to the Airport DFO or do airlines now dump fuel on takeoff/landing as standard procedure?
This "concerned member" lives in brookfield, where aircraft fly overhead at 5000+ ft?
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Old 29th Dec 2020, 04:15
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Just so everyone is aware of just how far raw unburned jet fuel is apparently spreading...(her chook water has a rainbow sheen)



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Old 29th Dec 2020, 06:31
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Jeez, she's also under the Lightie Lane. But Avgas doesn't have the same ability to attract a lawsuit?
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Old 30th Dec 2020, 05:58
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I am now forced to rely on tank water polluted by aircraft emissions as my only source of drinking water. We wouldn’t be allowed to drink tank water if vehicle emissions were an issue but it’s ok to have 10 times more aircraft directly over my house than cars past it. Most organic material can be filtered out of drinking water while aviation fuel cannot. It’s disgraceful. I can’t believe this is allowed to happen.
We used to takeour water from the bottom of the tank. Mustbe a drought there for the water levels in the tank to beso low that fuel, which if it does exist would float on top, will be drawn into the taps.
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Old 30th Dec 2020, 23:21
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It’s disgraceful. I can’t believe this is allowed to happen.
The disgraceful thing is that whingers like this actually are given oxygen. The tail wags the dog - normal humans don't write in to congratulate the airport for being there, but the NIMBYs are always going to have a moan.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 08:13
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Next time I operate into Brisbane, I'll fly the RNP RNAV-M approach onto 01R in the 777. That'll get their goat up

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Old 31st Dec 2020, 09:01
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Next time I operate into Brisbane, I'll fly the RNP RNAV-M approach onto 01R in the 777. That'll get their goat up
Actually it wont. That's the old Brekky Creek arrival down the Hamilton reach of the river that was flown for yonks without a murmur of complaint from residents from Gordon Park and Windsor to Hamilton. It's also a preference for many of those in Bulimba, New Farm, Teneriffe and Hawthorne as it stays well away from the majority of complainers.

To be honest, I'm not sure why they're not using it more often now to either runway.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 10:16
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In the Nineties and Noughties there was a family in Tingalpa who were so obsessed with supposed airport noise that they had a noise monitor set to trigger a phone call with a recorded complaint to the official line.
It was such an efficient system that, for years, it totally skewed the statistics as no one else could call during peak traffic periods.
Something like 97% of all complaints came from one address and were therefore a statistical anomaly and disregarded.
Even when the system was changed to email they sent in so many electronic complaints that it skewed the stats.
Then there was the person near Kilcoy who was on tank water and concerned that the jet exhaust was killing him and corroding his tinfoil hat.

Oh how we laughed.
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Old 31st Dec 2020, 11:39
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Was There any pilot input at all for the new stars and RNPs into bne? They are a massive pain in the a*se
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 04:48
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Yes there was. Curious to know what makes them an issue?
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 11:44
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Originally Posted by alphacentauri View Post
Yes there was. Curious to know what makes them an issue?
Well excluding the fact some of the vertical profiles are Highly inefficient but, Iíll leave that one for another day...

The RNP-AR descent coding starts rather low which is an annoyance ( Well it is in the bus, maybe thatís not an issue in a real aircraft)

Some of the constraints can be a challenge especially if you are a bit heavy with any sort of tailwind. I.e. the blacka 01R but mainly the smoka 19L. The fact that we donít get descent clearance on the smoka until crossing the coast combined with the speed reduction to 230 kts and a strong westerly will result in not meeting the Atrax constraint of 3000 without some creativity. At 230 kts the speed brake in an A321 is just a fancy way of increasing VLS without actually changing the profile of the aircraft.

But itís nice to see CTA protection on the STARS now... Whoever would have thought that was a good idea 🙄
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 13:40
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The STARS are the worst I have seen anywhere in fifty years, on every continent. Well, maybe except Zurich in the 80’s.

Local ATC is still hostage to the concept of making aeroplanes behave like trains. And making descents like a set of stairs. I am (happily) ignorant of the factors affecting traffic flow, but the ones I do see appear to be woefully mismanaged. Runways are always the limiting thing in terminal control, and hence reliable tight approach spacing the key. Australia seems to lead the world in inability to sequence aircraft on final approach to even acknowledge that simple reality.

On edit: It’s not the controllers. It’s the procedures.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 20:44
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Don't even start me on the concept of stacking northern arrivals in a holding pattern for 20 minutes because 01L is "at capacity" and allow (REQUIRE) 01R to be unused!

Jesus Wept!

There is little to NO service provided to the airlines or travelling public.
My mistake............ Lip Service only.

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Old 1st Jan 2021, 22:03
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All of the ‘Victor’ arrivals at BN are now a dogs breakfast. At least on the previous ‘Victor’ arrivals at Brisbane, the horizontal profile was planned to the threshold so you knew exactly how many track miles you had to run, except on the very odd occasion you had to get taken off the STAR.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 09:27
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Would love to be able to explain what is going on with the design - but I have no clue what "they" were thinking.

If it helps (probably doesn't) ATC hate it as much as the pilots. Give us radar vectors to final approach and we will make it work a treat.
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