‘Reckless’ Canadian pilots commit major quarantine breach in Darwin
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I wouldn't say that, but then we do have one of the lowest COVID infection rates of any country in the world.
Dogma, is your location correct? MAN = Manchester, UK?? Did the UK have 26,860 new COVID cases on the 15 Nov in the UK?
Australia (that loves rules) had 14.
Dogma, is your location correct? MAN = Manchester, UK?? Did the UK have 26,860 new COVID cases on the 15 Nov in the UK?
Australia (that loves rules) had 14.
Oh, that’s right, fighting bushfires in the worlds biggest carbon polluting nation per capita. A nation that has largely turned its back on international norms regarding emissions.
I keep getting confused. What’s the greatest overreaction in modern times? Climate change or COVID?
Australia. The nanny state when it suits, the Wild West when it doesn’t. Either way, don’t expect too many to respect its “rules”.
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Do you understand that that would mean living almost each day of your life in isolation? You'd fly a tour for a week overseas - and when you're overseas you are in hotel lockdown (or if not you're likely in a country where you don't want to leave the hotel room anyway, nor should you under the terms of the AirCrew exemption) and then you come back to 2 weeks hotel isolated quarantine, which is longer your time off. Then you go to work again. Repeat.
Do you have any understanding of what that means to Aussie pilots flying internationally?
Edit: Maybe I should explain...
Do you understand that that would mean living almost each day of your life in isolation? You'd fly a tour for a week overseas - and when you're overseas you are in hotel lockdown (or if not you're likely in a country where you don't want to leave the hotel room anyway, nor should you under the terms of the AirCrew exemption) and then you come back to 2 weeks hotel isolated quarantine, which is longer your time off. Then you go to work again. Repeat.
Now do you see the problem? A life never seeing the sun (except maybe between the airport and the taxi). Or anyone else for that matter besides the co-pilot and the ground staff. Health implications - DVT, sanity?
Edit: Maybe I should explain...
Do you understand that that would mean living almost each day of your life in isolation? You'd fly a tour for a week overseas - and when you're overseas you are in hotel lockdown (or if not you're likely in a country where you don't want to leave the hotel room anyway, nor should you under the terms of the AirCrew exemption) and then you come back to 2 weeks hotel isolated quarantine, which is longer your time off. Then you go to work again. Repeat.
Now do you see the problem? A life never seeing the sun (except maybe between the airport and the taxi). Or anyone else for that matter besides the co-pilot and the ground staff. Health implications - DVT, sanity?
If Pilots of all people, cannot abide by a reasonable quarantine direction to sit and stay in your hotel for 2 weeks, then yes, they should be forced to undergo mandatory quarantine at a location of the Governments choosing. They've been given a great deal of leeway in order to keep transportation lines open, and some - by no means all, or even the majority - are showing they can't be trusted to do the right thing. If Governments' won't trust the great unwashed to do the right thing, why should Pilots get special treatment when they've proven they won't either?
I didn't say it was a large number, but it isn't just two Canadian pilots. It is the FedEx pilot who was (rightfully) jailed in Singapore, it is the ME crew who left quarantine in NZ to go to the pub, and I'm sure there's many more besides...But it has happened, more than once and in more than one location. If pilots (not all, and as I said, not even the majority) are happy to willingly to break the quarantine rules, then they should be treated like everyone else and not extended the courtesy (and trust) of self-isolating - particularly in Australia at present!
So what makes aircrew so special in that regard? There are, literally, dozens of my colleagues in that exact same boat. And that's just the rail guys, not even counting the plant or production operators. They live on the East coast, NZ or elsewhere but work in the Pilbara, and up until Mark McGoose opened the border sans quarantine to "low risk" states, they had to quarantine for 2 weeks every time they went to work, or, spend their off-duty time on-site in a donga, or in a hotel in Perth, held captive by the state
My argument wasn’t about foreign crews anyway. More about Aussie crews flying internationally and returning.
We are a nanny state, and we overreact to pretty much everything these days, CV19 included.
Locking down / mandatory hotel quarantine for handfuls of cases is so beyond ludicrous, it’s frankly not even funny anymore.
Meant to be one country - instead we act like all the states are independent nations - pathetic really.
Locking down / mandatory hotel quarantine for handfuls of cases is so beyond ludicrous, it’s frankly not even funny anymore.
Meant to be one country - instead we act like all the states are independent nations - pathetic really.
I agree sceptic. The comments on here all apparently endorse draconian punishment for a couple of pilots who probably popped out for a couple of well deserved beers. The ridiculous over reaction to this bug continues apace. My friend still flies for the ME largest airline and when night stopping away is compelled to stay in a hotel room, virtually as a prisoner. The mental health issues and implications are enormous. Previously when returning to Dubai he had to isolate in a hotel room for 2 weeks. The deprivation of basic civil liberties has far more sinister overtones than the disease itself. Ironically the fire fighting Canadians would be hailed as heroic if they had not succumbed to that most basic human right, socialising with another human. Crazy stuff.
Assuming that their employer informed them of the contractual obligation for two weeks of isolation on arrival, then if they didn't intend to comply with those requirements, they should not have accepted the assignment. By flouting the rules, they've not only put a stain on themselves and their company, they've stained every other foreign aircrew member who's turned up to help Australia manage the wildfire situation. Every one of them has been asked to do the same isolation on arrival, regardless of the state in which they're working. The only "crazy stuff" here is the selfishness of these two people.
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We are a nanny state, and we overreact to pretty much everything these days, CV19 included.
Locking down / mandatory hotel quarantine for handfuls of cases is so beyond ludicrous, it’s frankly not even funny anymore.
Meant to be one country - instead we act like all the states are independent nations - pathetic really.
Locking down / mandatory hotel quarantine for handfuls of cases is so beyond ludicrous, it’s frankly not even funny anymore.
Meant to be one country - instead we act like all the states are independent nations - pathetic really.
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I take it people down under are still acting all hysterical about this virus then...
Isn't England back in lockdown again with their second wave?
And hasn't Boris just been advised to isolate - again?
Originally Posted by CessNah View Post
I take it people down under are still acting all hysterical about this virus then...
Isn't England back in lockdown again with their second wave?
And hasn't Boris just been advised to isolate - again?
I couldn't give a rat's if those guys left their hotel. Big deal. The probably went to the "ballet" thinking they could have fun amongst the "laidback" aussies, not knowing that the breed is extinct and replaced by chicken-little, rule-loving wowsers. Honestly, the hysteria over this and C19 in general is stomach-turning.
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Most likely the crew of this Helicopter...... SIKORSKY S61 C-FIZA passed through the NT on Monday 23.11.20.
Sighted it on the ground fairly close as a remote ARO.
Sighted it on the ground fairly close as a remote ARO.