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Pilots point finger for lack of support at Qantas and Virgin

Old 10th Nov 2020, 06:43
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Pilots point finger for lack of support at Qantas and Virgin

I am aware that SIA group including Scooter is paying pilots a large chunk of their salary.

However, hell will freeze over before AJ and co have people getting paid sitting at home.

Australian pilots have lashed out at the major airlines and the federal government, saying they have received a lack of financial support during the coronavirus pandemic. In a submission to a Senate inquiry into Australia’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) pointed the finger at the federal government, claiming funding had been “insufficient” and “not fit for purpose”.

The union has also slammed the two major airlines for providing little to no support for aviation workers during the health crisis.

Australia is one of the few nations that has not provided an aviation-specific support package for workers,” AIPA said in its submission.

“This is compounded by both Qantas and Virgin making no contribution to stood-down pilots who are reliant entirely on JobKeeper or drawing down their accrued employment entitlements such as annual and long-service leave.”

The association, which represents more than 2300 Qantas pilots, said other major international airlines are paying stood-down pilots a full or partial salary while the industry remains grounded.

AIPA said a majority of pilots would probably be forced to leave the industry without additional financial help beyond the tapering of JobKeeper in March.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 06:52
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Sadly not surprising. I know a few in Jetstar Asia and if what they tell me is true then it just shows the Aussie ownership coming through! Certainly not looked after like SIA & Scooter.

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Old 10th Nov 2020, 07:02
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
I am aware that SIA group including Scooter is paying pilots a large chunk of their salary.

However, hell will freeze over before AJ and co have people getting paid sitting at home.
Great for SIA as they are owned by their nation's government and can rely on public money for support.

Different for Australian airlines as we have chosen, rightly or wrongly, to allow aviation to fall into the private sector. Australia's privatised airlines can't afford to pay stood down workers their salary without eventually going bankrupt. They could only do it with government support.
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So, dr, I guess the question is .....should the Australian formerly gummit owned airlines, have been allowed to be 'privatised'..??

As with every other utility and airports, has it benefited the nation / country in the l o o o n g term?

Yes, I am aware that they got a lot of money to pay off debt and provide a surplus....but.....in the long term..??

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Mortgage yourself up to the tits, don't own your car, have no rainy day fund then cry that your company isn't paying you with the money they're not earning. Sounds like standard Aussie entitlement.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 09:12
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Mortgage yourself up to the tits, don't own your car, have no rainy day fund then cry that your company isn't paying you with the money they're not earning. Sounds like standard Aussie entitlement.
Government lining private companies to the tits in taxpayer money (some majority foreign owned) and a drizzle of shit trickles down to employees. Sounds like Aussie entitlement.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 09:21
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Ok, more to point for all the CEOs. Joyce has always told us about the fickle nature of aviation. He has always mentioned SARS, 911, bird flu, GFC, oils prices and many others over the years and yet he has failed to provision for the next inevitable black swan event. Like most he has pursued a capital lite, highly geared business model as espoused by the various management consulting firms. So highly paid, yet no ability to ensure the viabilty of the business in the event of an already forecast event. Enriching himself with a short term focus at the expense of the business. Isn’t his job to anticipate these events? You wouldn’t run your household this way!!!!
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 10:17
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When you mean gumming owned - you mean REX?
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 20:18
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Isn’t his job to anticipate these events? You wouldn’t run your household this way!!!!
For the record I think AJ is a vacuous individual obsessed with rainbow flags, but I wouldn't have expected him to foresee months or years of closed state and international borders.
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Old 10th Nov 2020, 22:23
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There is no doubt the travel/tourism industry has copped the brunt of the pain served up by this pandemic. I sympathise with you, it must be hard handling your predicament. However that said it is not unprecedented as many other industries have shut down permanently or temporarily in the past. At least you have / had jobkeeper to keep you afloat short term.Most past crisis events the workers made redundant did not. Years ago redundancy pay did not exist only owed leave etc.Go back further not even the dole existed.
There is no way the government or taxpayer will keep funding out of work Aussies the higher rate much longer. Not saying that is fair or not, just a fact. Unless you really believe you are about to be re hired soon I suggest you move on,find other employment / training before the damage to you is extreme financially and or your state of health. That is the private enterprise system like it or not we live with and always have.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 08:37
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You guys in OZ had it easy, in NZ working for the Qantas Group there was no Long Service Leave and our Wage Subsidy went for 12 weeks and was half of the Jobkeeper in Australia. The Government refused to give any access to pensions except if we were in significant financial hardship e.g. Mortgage default. If we took up another job then we also had to pay secondary tax of 33% due to the fact we were still employed by Qantas which also has ruled us out from any other government help.. Wage subsidy ran out in September. Not a competition but we just being told that we couldn't get any extra assistance from Qantas as then everyone in the Group would want it.
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Spektrum, a little harsh but your comments are pretty true, for me an extremely low balance on the Mortgage, only pay cash for cars and own them outright,( and don’t buy fancy pieces of shit cars either) and have always had a 2 year survival fund for the last 15 years. Sure COVID has been a downer but I am extremely fortified against the financial hit, a lot aren’t.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 08:45
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Poor pilots! My heart bleeds for them.....

If your earning the big bucks but got no savings, your only got you're self to blame. Plenty of other ground staff not sitting on a million dollar payout already struggling before covid hit.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 10:18
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Poor pilots! My heart bleeds for them.....

If your earning the big bucks but got no savings, your only got you're self to blame. Plenty of other ground staff not sitting on a million dollar payout already struggling before covid hit.
Nasty Attitude. Your spelling leaves a bit to be desired.

I have found the attitude prevailing amongst all operational employees I have met to be one of united disdain for the greasy pole climbers and scumbag management.

Every employee stood down took a 100% pay cut from day one.

My understanding is there are no stand down provisions in New Zealand. How are you stood down? Did you agree to “Special Leave” to keep your role?

Undercutting higher remuneration contracts seems to be a sport. There are a lot of unemployed pilots at the moment. Should we see if we can take the salaries down to the level of a minimum wage worker? Airline managements’ wet dream.

Sorry, but you can G F dear angels and other desperadoes. The sensible silent majority value themselves more than you do.

Good luck in your future work.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 10:39
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Originally Posted by unobtanium View Post
Poor pilots! My heart bleeds for them.....

If your earning the big bucks but got no savings, your only got you're self to blame. Plenty of other ground staff not sitting on a million dollar payout already struggling before covid hit.
yeah how dare anyone Not save cash while the cash rate is almost 0 in anticipation of the 1 in 100 yr black swan event! You are all fools 🤦🏼‍♂️ WTF???
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 10:40
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If your earning the big bucks but got no savings, your only got you're self to blame. Plenty of other ground staff not sitting on a million dollar payout already struggling before covid hit.
It all depends on where you live. Quite easy to be earning the big bucks in Sydney, live in a location that is say a 45 minute commute and have an average house and a massive mortgage. That's just the way it is. Not everyone wants to/can drive 2-3 hours to work to lower their cost of living.

As for the ground staff well they can go and find a better paying job if they don't like the one they have. Kinda stupid winging about a job which has no qualifications required and all you need is a bit of customer service experience at McDonalds or Coles etc and off you go compared to an airline pilot. It's almost a comical comparison really.......
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 20:18
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Wheels down, what is your point in starting this thread? It reminds me of a CX mate who has been telling me “how it is” and “you have to realise that” for the last 25 years, all from the discomfort of Honkers. His kids can speak 5 languages but watching them try to climb with a tree is a hoot, they can’t find the electronic interface.

The next time any business that is privately owned throws buckets of cash at staff in a pandemic such as this, I’ll be the first to congratulate them. I must say that the Aust version of looking after the punters leaves the Jacinda Ardern model for dead. If you want to wind Australian pilots up, pull the other leg.
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During my whole working career thanks to my father in the early years in which he had a huge influence on me having something put away 'just in case' I managed to stay afloat whether they be personnel challenges and or career challenges relying on absolutely no one! I always looked at my fly career as one step away from losing that income due medical issues or other external influences, '89, 911, oil crisis etc etc, much like flying a SE plane, you put it all on the line everytime you fly!

Good luck to those that have been shell shocked by the huge fcku up/s of our corrupt Govt/s!
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 20:55
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Poor pilots! My heart bleeds for them.....

If your earning the big bucks but got no savings, your only got you're self to blame. Plenty of other ground staff not sitting on a million dollar payout already struggling before covid hit.
I'm going to assume you're a groundie. I'm from a middle to low income family, I've put a lot of money into becoming a pilot. Three interstate moves, missing family and friend's events and during that time probably making as much as you do on the ground. I had only just hit the 'big bucks' where I can finally start paying off the accrued debt and consider buying a house. I'm not sure where the million dollar payout comes from? Majority of pilots out there weren't making bank.
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Old 11th Nov 2020, 21:11
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This is a terrible thread - from both sides of the fence. Some nasty comments that help nobody.
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