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Is the Cadet Pilot extinct down under?

Old 10th Oct 2020, 21:48
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post

A future pilot in primary school today could be looking at a wide body command with QF on the East Coast in under 10 years.
Any kid in primary school today dreaming of becoming a pilot will have a choice of becoming an astronaut or a drone pilot, or perhaps a pilot with the RFDS. 25 to 30 years from now widebody commands in the conventional sense will be on the point of extinction.
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 22:28
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Originally Posted by Slezy9 View Post
What do you mean by ďthe way Labor Governed States are behavingĒ?

last time I checked NSW, SA and TAS were all Liberal Governed states and they all have border restrictions in place? Or does that not suit your narrative?
SA now open to everyone except Vic.
Tassie open from October 26 to everyone except Victoria. Hedging their bets a little on NSW but Ďexpectí to open to them too. No one mentions them too much because they donít have too much impact on the national economy.
NSW open to everyone except Vic. I suspect that will likely change in a month if Victoria gets its act together.

QLD closed to Vic and NSW. There were two cases in NSW yesterday in a city of 6 million people. My uncle on a farm in regional NSW canít visit QLD to see his grand kids. Stupidity.
WA still closed to everybody?
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Old 10th Oct 2020, 22:56
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I think thereís already a few threads on this forum arguing about borders and politics.......

Having said that thereís a also been quite a few threads over the years arguing about cadetships, and whatís been written on this one isnít really any different
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 00:39
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
I suspect that will likely change in a month if Victoria gets its act together.
That is a big ďIFĒ when you have a lying clown in charge of the whole rock show.


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Old 11th Oct 2020, 01:11
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No dispute there. Perhaps I should have said ‘get their act together despite their Premier’.
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Old 11th Oct 2020, 01:44
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Originally Posted by Derfred View Post
Telfer, how many yearsí LWOP did you take?

Iím just hoping you have put your money where your mouth is, and have taken at least 5-10 years.

I should be retired by then, so hopefully I wonít ever have to share a cockpit with you.
Mate, the troll is not even a pilot, he just comes on here to try and inflict his misery on others.

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Old 19th Oct 2020, 07:08
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Why are cadet programs still running? Simple. They are VET funded money makers that have very little to do with the actual airline. FTA is a for profit school that, like every other VET fee provider offers a taxpayer funded product at an inflated price. (how much does a CPL cost? Whatever the VET limit happens to be that year) The more students they pump through every year, the higher the profit. Whether they get a job at the end isn't their business. No different to Soar or Basair.

They may have an 'affiliation' with qantas but at the end of the day qantas isn't the one providing the training, the students don't have a contract with Qantas, the instructors aren't from Qantas, and at the end of if they simply get the right to apply for a job. That is all.... the same job their own instructor is probably applying for!
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 04:26
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So do they sign a contract? Or can they just walk away at any time without paying another cent?

To those who have just signed the dotted line or are about to? Perhaps get some legal advice. I cannnot reiterate the importance, there is no jobs with Qantas at the other end. Zero. You also have bush or tropics GA pilots ahead of you for jobs for the next five years.

FTA and Oxford are essentially non viable businesses at the moment.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 05:22
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Angel Is the cadet pilot extinct down under?

The cadet pilot is not extinct as long as the crook cadet pilot institutions remain and take advantage of the vulnerable. Is it worth signing up as a cadet? I would say yes if you have a contract in black and white confirming guaranteed employment, and we know that's unlikely to happen for a very very long time, bar a few jobs here and there for the special or privileged.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 05:43
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
So do they sign a contract? Or can they just walk away at any time without paying another cent?

To those who have just signed the dotted line or are about to? Perhaps get some legal advice. I cannnot reiterate the importance, there is no jobs with Qantas at the other end. Zero. You also have bush or tropics GA pilots ahead of you for jobs for the next five years.

FTA and Oxford are essentially non viable businesses at the moment.
The FAQ section on the Qantas recruitment page (not FTA's) provides a bit more of a reality check, making it abundantly clear you sign a contract with FTA, not Qantas. That after completion you go into a talent pool, and points out that 500 hours multi is a typical requirement for a regional airline. That the cadetship is NOT a 'Qantas Group Cadetship' and that it is not a part of their Future Pilot program that they have with some Uni programs (which has been ended due to Covid anyway)

Some of my favorites:

4. If I successfully graduate from the Academy will I be guaranteed a job at Qantas?

No. However, after graduation, students will automatically join the Qantas Groupís talent pool, have access to our General Aviation partners and be part of the Academy Alumni Program, all of which combined, will help to fast track your place in the recruitment process.

Different airlines have different entry requirements and itís best to contact prospective employers to seek advice on this matter. It is common for regional airlines to require a minimum of 500 multi-engine command hours for employment. Major airlines usually require 500 multi-engine command hours, 1500 hours total flying time and an ATPL for direct entry.

5. Is the Academy the same thing as the Qantas Group Future Pilot Program?

No. The Qantas Future Pilot Program provides Aviation students the opportunity to be mentored by experienced Qantas Group pilots during their university degree and if successful through the selection process, will transition to a job in the Qantas Group after graduation. Students from the Academy may be selected as participants in the Qantas Group Future Pilot Program based on various eligibility criteria including course performance.

7. Are the courses run at the Academy a Qantas Group cadet program?

No, there are no funded cadetships available with Qantas Group airlines. However, after graduation, students will automatically join the Qantas Groupís talent pool, have access to our General Aviation partners and be part of the Academy Alumni Program, all of which will help to fast track your place in the recruitment process.
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