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Join Date: May 2020
Location: Village
Posts: 61
Are there many people lining up for that role?
If you were running an unprofitable business, would you remove staff or just watch your business whittle away and fail? Please the business or please the people.... tough one isn't it.
If you look how technology has automated parts of roles, naturally there will be headcount reduction, throw in a considered strategy approved and signed off by the backers you're in safer hands than you would have been with PR Pony Paul..
Going by your posts, you'd sit back and watch Rome burn.... oh but sleep at night knowing your staff are happy....
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If you were running an unprofitable business, would you remove staff or just watch your business whittle away and fail? Please the business or please the people.... tough one isn't it.
If you look how technology has automated parts of roles, naturally there will be headcount reduction, throw in a considered strategy approved and signed off by the backers you're in safer hands than you would have been with PR Pony Paul..
Going by your posts, you'd sit back and watch Rome burn.... oh but sleep at night knowing your staff are happy....
Very VA-MK1
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 554
Looks like there is a cult of personality developing. I have absolutely no skin in this game and am very happy to work for the opposition. One thing I do have though is the experience of having worked for a company run by your favorite CEO. If you and your mate P377 think she is the best thing since DT to come out of America then fill your boots but the reality is she will leave with a wad of cash and another business disaster.
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 68
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by Lookleft
Looks like there is a cult of personality developing. I have absolutely no skin in this game and am very happy to work for the opposition. One thing I do have though is the experience of having worked for a company run by your favorite CEO. If you and your mate P377 think she is the best thing since DT to come out of America then fill your boots but the reality is she will leave with a wad of cash and another business disaster.
She has been disposing of the legacy deadwood and bringing in fresh management. Give her some time.
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Kichin
Posts: 573
Originally Posted by Paragraph377
If you read my posts carefully you would see that I am not saying she is the best thing since sliced bread at all. I’m simply saying that for the this period of time in VA’s existence she is probably the best CEO for the job. VA doesn’t need light and fluffy, that’s already failed. It needs hard nosed management to make it survive. Big decisions to be made within a brutal economic environment. Different CEO’s have different methods of managing under different circumstances. Her time as a toe cutter will probably change in a few years time, who knows.
She has been disposing of the legacy deadwood and bringing in fresh management. Give her some time.
She has been disposing of the legacy deadwood and bringing in fresh management. Give her some time.
As far as management flush outs go, history says she will replace the old incompetence with new incompetence. Not a single aviation professional in sight.
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Village
Posts: 61
The empires of GM's is being sliced apart as we speak, I see a line of ghosts leaving very shortly. Org design consultants couldn't understand how/why it was put together in this instance.... one of Scuz mates I see....
Meanwhile the GM's are busying themselves putting proposals together for the next slice.... ciao ciao CSD.
Meanwhile the GM's are busying themselves putting proposals together for the next slice.... ciao ciao CSD.
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 68
Posts: 180
Yes indeed there are some puckering sphincters at the Village at the moment. Mrs Jayne hasn’t put the broom away yet. There are still more legacy specialists and deadwood mid-level managers awaiting the guillotine. No stone will remain unturned in the search for proper savings. It will be a much much leaner structure, a little JQ’esque even once complete, but it’s what needs to be done for the airlines survival and for at least some people to remain employed. Even the Unions are confused as to what the new Executive management teams plans are, however all will undoubtedly be revealed in due course. I guess the new CEO is making the transformation of VA a real game changer.
I also hear that Scuz and another former senior manager have hit the consultancy road and apparently some companies are shelling out precious dollars to listen to the two of them speak! Those wasting their money by paying to hear these two waffling on obviously don’t watch the nightly news.
I also hear that Scuz and another former senior manager have hit the consultancy road and apparently some companies are shelling out precious dollars to listen to the two of them speak! Those wasting their money by paying to hear these two waffling on obviously don’t watch the nightly news.
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A track record of failures is nothing to be revered.
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Village
Posts: 61
Originally Posted by Paragraph377
Yes indeed there are some puckering sphincters at the Village at the moment. Mrs Jayne hasn’t put the broom away yet. There are still more legacy specialists and deadwood mid-level managers awaiting the guillotine. No stone will remain unturned in the search for proper savings. It will be a much much leaner structure, a little JQ’esque even once complete, but it’s what needs to be done for the airlines survival and for at least some people to remain employed. Even the Unions are confused as to what the new Executive management teams plans are, however all will undoubtedly be revealed in due course. I guess the new CEO is making the transformation of VA a real game changer.
I also hear that Scuz and another former senior manager have hit the consultancy road and apparently some companies are shelling out precious dollars to listen to the two of them speak! Those wasting their money by paying to hear these two waffling on obviously don’t watch the nightly news.
I also hear that Scuz and another former senior manager have hit the consultancy road and apparently some companies are shelling out precious dollars to listen to the two of them speak! Those wasting their money by paying to hear these two waffling on obviously don’t watch the nightly news.
Oh wait, did that at the Triffid farewell, weren't the hands wondering that night.... oops
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: AUS
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by Paragraph377
....but given the chance she will keep many of you employed
Any truth in the rumours doing the rounds another 1500 VA staff to go next month? Apparently Ms Jayne is yet to announce this latest reduction?
Cheers, Maxwell
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 68
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by Agent_86
Afternoon P377,
Any truth in the rumours doing the rounds another 1500 VA staff to go next month? Apparently Ms Jayne is yet to announce this latest reduction?
Cheers, Maxwell
Any truth in the rumours doing the rounds another 1500 VA staff to go next month? Apparently Ms Jayne is yet to announce this latest reduction?
Cheers, Maxwell
Last edited by Paragraph377; 25th Feb 2021 at 05:38.
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: AUS
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by Paragraph377
Max, I’m not part of VA, so I’m not in it’s inner sanctum, however I do maintain good connections. I believe there will be more redundancies next month, some structure tweaking and deadwood removal, but I have not heard of a figure of a confirmed figure of 1,500 people. I do believe however that Mrs Jayne has mentioned to the Government that without jobkeeper continuing there might be a risk of another 1,500 jobs being untenable. Whether that is a strong arm tactic towards the government or a genuine threat I don’t know. However the airlines are bleeding heavily so anything is possible.
I'm sure Ms Jayne will speak up once the dust settles from the AO 
Cheers, Max
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Fliegensville, Gold Coast Australia
Posts: 8
Today I was a 'guest'
I hate that term...'Guest',..when it refers to airline passengers...but VA insist with it..
......Anyway flew TSV to BNE today, it was a Fabulous product but bare bones product....still 100% better than any thing J* offer though!
......Anyway flew TSV to BNE today, it was a Fabulous product but bare bones product....still 100% better than any thing J* offer though!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 695
Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
A track record of failures is nothing to be revered. She will fail to save VA with her proven ability to fail everywhere else, especially while she believes the most important people in the business reside in management offices.
As far as management flush outs go, history says she will replace the old incompetence with new incompetence. Not a single aviation professional in sight.
As far as management flush outs go, history says she will replace the old incompetence with new incompetence. Not a single aviation professional in sight.
The previous 'culture' was that there was an entire cabal of people below GM level who's main purpose in life was to check that everyone was wearing the same colour lipstick. The frightening thing is that many of them just went through the motions but others actually thought they were doing a worthwhile and rewarding job. Customers and investors don't give a fat juicy rats a*se about 'customer lens walks' and stupid expressions such as 'unpack that for me' or 'celebrating success' (the most common used expression in a business that achieved none - not fiscally anyway).
Anybody who noted that this perhaps wasn't the main area of concern was quickly dispensed with, without delay.
There's a level below GM that needs to be cleaned out urgently, the same old incompetents still drawing a salary and achieving nothing as they have done for the best part of 20 years (other than being promoted WAY beyond their level of incompetence).
She is exactly what's needed now, someone who is a cross between a feral abacus and a carving knife.
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong
I hate that term...'Guest',..when it refers to airline passengers...but VA insist with it..
......Anyway flew TSV to BNE today, it was a Fabulous product but bare bones product....still 100% better than any thing J* offer though!
......Anyway flew TSV to BNE today, it was a Fabulous product but bare bones product....still 100% better than any thing J* offer though!
Still, it's not the worst I've heard. I saw a journalist who calls out weasel-words interviewed and she told the story of a UK company that just couldn't bring itself to use the word 'sacking', 'retrenching', 'redundancy' or the like so they announced to their own staff (including those about to be affected) and the public that they were.... "Looking forward to growing our alumni network".......
Reminds me of how Ansett went nuts for the term 'customer' in the 80s (the latest US w-nk word at that time, likely from a Tom Peters lecture) even putting it on Loadsheets. The CAA (as it was at the time) told them to get it off as no one bothered to think about the fact the Regulations don't mention 'customers' and the Loadsheet is a legal document.
My one experience (first experience) on VA - it was DJ at the time - was traveling with my children and my then wife. We had been split seated, we both knew how airlines worked and my ex asked politely if anything could be done. She was dismissed completely and rudely. You can call passengers guests if you want, but the passengers couldn't give a damn. Certainly didn't make us feel like a 'guest'. Flew back a few days later on QF and the crew offered to take the baby and take our other child for a walk around the cabin, same as AN would have done.
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective
Here Here!!!! Couldn't agree more. It's a modern management-speak w-nk word that is utterly meaningless like the rest of the garbage "reaching out", "going forward", "customer lens walks", etc. Consistently, many times over last decade, Air New Zealand has been awarded the title of one of the world's best airlines - in ALL their manuals and training, they call their 'customers' "passengers", which is what they are.
Still, it's not the worst I've heard. I saw a journalist who calls out weasel-words interviewed and she told the story of a UK company that just couldn't bring itself to use the word 'sacking', 'retrenching', 'redundancy' or the like so they announced to their own staff (including those about to be affected) and the public that they were.... "Looking forward to growing our alumni network".......
Reminds me of how Ansett went nuts for the term 'customer' in the 80s (the latest US w-nk word at that time, likely from a Tom Peters lecture) even putting it on Loadsheets. The CAA (as it was at the time) told them to get it off as no one bothered to think about the fact the Regulations don't mention 'customers' and the Loadsheet is a legal document.
My one experience (first experience) on VA - it was DJ at the time - was traveling with my children and my then wife. We had been split seated, we both knew how airlines worked and my ex asked politely if anything could be done. She was dismissed completely and rudely. You can call passengers guests if you want, but the passengers couldn't give a damn. Certainly didn't make us feel like a 'guest'. Flew back a few days later on QF and the crew offered to take the baby and take our other child for a walk around the cabin, same as AN would have done.
Still, it's not the worst I've heard. I saw a journalist who calls out weasel-words interviewed and she told the story of a UK company that just couldn't bring itself to use the word 'sacking', 'retrenching', 'redundancy' or the like so they announced to their own staff (including those about to be affected) and the public that they were.... "Looking forward to growing our alumni network".......
Reminds me of how Ansett went nuts for the term 'customer' in the 80s (the latest US w-nk word at that time, likely from a Tom Peters lecture) even putting it on Loadsheets. The CAA (as it was at the time) told them to get it off as no one bothered to think about the fact the Regulations don't mention 'customers' and the Loadsheet is a legal document.
My one experience (first experience) on VA - it was DJ at the time - was traveling with my children and my then wife. We had been split seated, we both knew how airlines worked and my ex asked politely if anything could be done. She was dismissed completely and rudely. You can call passengers guests if you want, but the passengers couldn't give a damn. Certainly didn't make us feel like a 'guest'. Flew back a few days later on QF and the crew offered to take the baby and take our other child for a walk around the cabin, same as AN would have done.
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective
My one experience (first experience) on VA - it was DJ at the time - was traveling with my children and my then wife. We had been split seated, we both knew how airlines worked and my ex asked politely if anything could be done. She was dismissed completely and rudely.
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective
My one experience (first experience) on VA - it was DJ at the time - was traveling with my children and my then wife. We had been split seated, we both knew how airlines worked and my ex asked politely if anything could be done. She was dismissed completely and rudely. You can call passengers guests if you want, but the passengers couldn't give a damn. Certainly didn't make us feel like a 'guest'. Flew back a few days later on QF and the crew offered to take the baby and take our other child for a walk around the cabin, same as AN would have done.
