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Old 17th Dec 2020, 11:38
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She's finally come forward and said the business was in decline and no longer sustainable, COVID was just a good excuse. Polarising the commentary that Scuz said. He was too busy being a PR pony than actually getting to the point. The 750 that went in phase 1 before Project Phoenix took 8 months, and went back to the drawing board 4 times. He tried to revamp the business using the same people and they jumped pretty quickly. Loose lips Lucinda, Danni Baby chop chop, but turns out its Elmer Fud was the real loose lips.

Make the crew happy and they'll keep staying happy - really? Tried and tested under the Haus of Tobias before she had it off with Martina, and caused a massive mental health problem with the hosties. They were taught they were skygods and irreplaceable. People fly VA because of you, our captain service crew. Now, Spat out in the real world, where theyre unskilled and a dime a dozen.
This is corporate culture now, not just the GA club the sausages ran. Baffling Elmer Fudd didn't know the closing share price when they first met. Embarrassing. There was no strategy, nothing. That boarded up room full of nothing but the same. The office speaks volumes of the competence, dog poo everywhere because its all about "being engaged" ... 7 turds and that's just Tuesday.

You won't get better than the deal put forward, and the business has more than reasonable grounds to present it to FWC.

You won't recognise the new c-suite from Feb... fresh faces, MBA's to the hills corporate culture instilled. Enjoy the last few days of the amateurs.
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Old 17th Dec 2020, 11:53
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Mmmm?

A war on two fronts. Thatís worked out well in the past.
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Old 17th Dec 2020, 12:24
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Bemused by all these excited posters displaying an emotional over abundance of estrogen.

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Old 18th Dec 2020, 05:14
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You won't get better than the deal put forward, and the business has more than reasonable grounds to present it to FWC.
They can of course present it. What happens when the Commissioner asks if there was meaningful pilot or union input into the drafting of the EA?

Even better when it is pointed out that it had the full support of 10% of the pilot body (who voted).
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 11:57
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
They can of course present it. What happens when the Commissioner asks if there was meaningful pilot or union input into the drafting of the EA?

Even better when it is pointed out that it had the full support of 10% of the pilot body (who voted).
Precisely. 98% of the pilot body voted, so only 80 or so pilots voted yes. The FWC couldnít overrule a definitive result like that.
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Old 19th Dec 2020, 00:32
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Hate to say it, but the alleged “scare mongers” are right. The likelihood of a lengthy stable career at Virgin is very low. The smartest thing is to be qualified and current and ready to jump to new and lucrative opportunities as soon they become available. The only way you can do this is to remain employed and flying....no matter the financial and human cost.

Tomorrows pilots need to be fearlessly agile and to dedicate themselves to a new style career of job moves across the world.
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Old 19th Dec 2020, 08:29
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Are VA really struggling to crew flights as reported or is it lack of planning from up top. Just read an article VA canceling multiple flights due to it being un able to crew them.
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Old 19th Dec 2020, 11:00
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So much scaremongering in this thread.

The company has cancelled numerous flights today due to the lack of cabin crew. Thatís after they have called all cabin crew back from LWOP. They donít have the numbers to handle a disrupt so they either planning to shrink or they need to find a way to attract people back into a stable job.

Same goes for pilots. It would be extremely ballsy to see FWA dissolve the EBA after a 90% no vote. The cost base has been reset, flight crew and cabin crew were never the problem.

They will need pilots to grow and expand the airline but if the T+Cís are crap, people will head to rex, alliance and pionair and help them grow while VA struggles to crew their flights.

As they claw back extra frames in the future, theyíre going to need the crew to fly them. The company will need to find a way to keep crew around to fly those planes. Simple way is to roll over the 2018 EBA with a pay freeze. At least that will reflect what has been said to the press in regards to asking staff for a pay freeze (as opposed to the 20% pay cut and stripped lifestyle conditions on offer).
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 02:28
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HUBRIS the enemy of reason

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Old 20th Dec 2020, 09:29
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My posts aren't for scaremongering, but the truth. From someone in the circle, surrounded by loose lips. Here's the songbook for the next 14 weeks. You'll start to receive presso's about how the offer compares with the modern awards. The classic line, you're either on the boat of sailing your own way will be sung by all. As for negotiations, you'll find the costbase is set in stone. Any discussions or trades should be taken lightly, and strategically, you'll only be able to tinker around the edges.
The optimiser and aircrews have been adjusted and tested, its just a matter of pulling the trigger. As for FRMS restrictions, out the window. Most of their 'findings' weren't driven by data, research or by fact, but my committees of committees who were adverse to work and driving other agendas. I recall the white faces when the question was asked "but where's the evidence to support the change that cost $$$$$ in lost productivity"... tap tap tap away the Bain consultants went.

As for the rest, for attracting talent and the business running short.... you'll find attendance rates have dropped to all time lows, with many people going fatigued to attend their other job and multiple abandonment of employment letters have gone out. The old games are shining through again, just in time for the new mob to see. Do you really think adding more crew is the answer to 33% sick leave for weekends? Like pouring water into a bottomless bucket. The answer to that is just around the corner, and you won't realise what's hit you.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 09:56
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Originally Posted by didrechambers77 View Post
My posts aren't for scaremongering, but the truth. From someone in the circle, surrounded by loose lips. Here's the songbook for the next 14 weeks. You'll start to receive presso's about how the offer compares with the modern awards. The classic line, you're either on the boat of sailing your own way will be sung by all. As for negotiations, you'll find the costbase is set in stone. Any discussions or trades should be taken lightly, and strategically, you'll only be able to tinker around the edges.
The optimiser and aircrews have been adjusted and tested, its just a matter of pulling the trigger. As for FRMS restrictions, out the window. Most of their 'findings' weren't driven by data, research or by fact, but my committees of committees who were adverse to work and driving other agendas. I recall the white faces when the question was asked "but where's the evidence to support the change that cost $$$$$ in lost productivity"... tap tap tap away the Bain consultants went.

As for the rest, for attracting talent and the business running short.... you'll find attendance rates have dropped to all time lows, with many people going fatigued to attend their other job and multiple abandonment of employment letters have gone out. The old games are shining through again, just in time for the new mob to see. Do you really think adding more crew is the answer to 33% sick leave for weekends? Like pouring water into a bottomless bucket. The answer to that is just around the corner, and you won't realise what's hit you.
Are you JH by any chance?
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 09:58
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Close but no cigar.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 10:14
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Originally Posted by Barrt3344 View Post
So much scaremongering in this thread.

The company has cancelled numerous flights today due to the lack of cabin crew. Thatís after they have called all cabin crew back from LWOP. They donít have the numbers to handle a disrupt so they either planning to shrink or they need to find a way to attract people back into a stable job.

Same goes for pilots. It would be extremely ballsy to see FWA dissolve the EBA after a 90% no vote. The cost base has been reset, flight crew and cabin crew were never the problem.

They will need pilots to grow and expand the airline but if the T+Cís are crap, people will head to rex, alliance and pionair and help them grow while VA struggles to crew their flights.

As they claw back extra frames in the future, theyíre going to need the crew to fly them. The company will need to find a way to keep crew around to fly those planes. Simple way is to roll over the 2018 EBA with a pay freeze. At least that will reflect what has been said to the press in regards to asking staff for a pay freeze (as opposed to the 20% pay cut and stripped lifestyle conditions on offer).
I heard the crewing issues related to a bunch of cabin crew taking sick leave. Not surprising with crew juggling multiple jobs as the flying comes back. QF have been dealing with the same challenges with a stack of flights canceled over the last few weeks.

I did some reading about terminating EBAs and it seems other companies have successfully terminated EBAs without a global pandemic and administration to rely on.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 10:17
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Donít get stuck in the mud whilst the new C suite starts to form. Itís just you wonít be able to get out of it once in. She will be a new beast from March and over the next 24 months you wont even be able to pick names walking around Southbank.

Clearly this business needs this sort of management however most of your mindsets are still stuck with the amateurs of the last 20 years.

Dive into transformations of previous corporates on this land. Paulís plan wasnít a transformation. It was polishing a turd. The first 6 months is installing the C Suite, removing those downwards who donít agree. Itís coming and itís going to be quick.



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Old 20th Dec 2020, 12:13
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Calamity Jane? Perhaps not

Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Dive into transformations of previous corporates on this land. Paulís plan wasnít a transformation. It was polishing a turd. The first 6 months is installing the C Suite, removing those downwards who donít agree. Itís coming and itís going to be quick.
Very true. VA carried legacy issues with it through Godfrey, EL Douche and Scurrah. An airline that lost its way after expanding beyond Virgin Blue and for the past decade has been drifting as a 3 tier airline. Scurrah was soft. He didnít have the cajones to transform the airline and prevent receivership. Pandering to the Village Idiots every whim and wanting to be everybodyís mate has done the business no favours. He belongs back in a Government organisation like QRail where profits are guaranteed and accountability is not necessary.

Jane will put the chainsaw through the deadwood and install a new C-Suite. New names at VA, some knowns and some unknowns. That is one positive. She will leave no rock unturned in her effort to cut costs and cut the dross out of the business. But be warned - she is a promoter of the diversity theme and will insist on pink cupcake days and other such meaningless shite. But I guess every CEO has their strong and weak points. Oh, and she has a low tolerance for non-performers and will brutallly dispatch to the unemployment line any person not saluting the General as she walks by. It will be an interesting time indeed. And if you really want to get ahead of the game then do some research into how Bain has Ďtransformedí other non-performing basket case businesses into profitable entities. Study their playbook as there lays the clues into what is in store for VA over the next 18 months and beyond.




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Old 20th Dec 2020, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Very true. VA carried legacy issues with it through Godfrey, EL Douche and Scurrah. An airline that lost its way after expanding beyond Virgin Blue and for the past decade has been drifting as a 3 tier airline. Scurrah was soft. He didnít have the cajones to transform the airline and prevent receivership. Pandering to the Village Idiots every whim and wanting to be everybodyís mate has done the business no favours. He belongs back in a Government organisation like QRail where profits are guaranteed and accountability is not necessary.

Jane will put the chainsaw through the deadwood and install a new C-Suite. New names at VA, some knowns and some unknowns. That is one positive. She will leave no rock unturned in her effort to cut costs and cut the dross out of the business. But be warned - she is a promoter of the diversity theme and will insist on pink cupcake days and other such meaningless shite. But I guess every CEO has their strong and weak points. Oh, and she has a low tolerance for non-performers and will brutallly dispatch to the unemployment line any person not saluting the General as she walks by. It will be an interesting time indeed. And if you really want to get ahead of the game then do some research into how Bain has Ďtransformedí other non-performing basket case businesses into profitable entities. Study their playbook as there lays the clues into what is in store for VA over the next 18 months and beyond.

Excellent summary of the situation. Folks there should pay attention. As the saying goes, you can't fight City Hall!
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 12:29
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https://www.smartcompany.com.au/indu...gin-australia/

I guess its all there ^^^^.. ay ?
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 13:02
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Don't forget about SSR Love, the song and dance that went with that..... focussing on a minute population that have issues, but along came the $30k change request to get the SSR installed, the tribes of staff attending, and all run by a fire twirler who didn't even work in the customer experience or insights team... oh but Danii liked it. Yes, as much as Danii liked her rolled up $20 note that was sitting on the kitchen bench on one of the workplace videos.

As I said, the next 14 weeks, comms plan is already set its just a matter of execution. They knew it was going to be voted down. The GM's etc hands are tied, workplace relations, hands are tied. Sure they're going through the motions of 'understanding your feedback' but the cost base won't change. This will be wrapped up by April.

The scurry to position the Bain consultants up this weekend was nothing short of an Olympic opening ceremony. Cars booked, Calile and Emporium booked, tribes of consultants in place back in Brissy checking in last night and tonight.

Lady Jayne despises the mess on Level 8, its been nicknamed a hound racing track, all the 'bring your pet to work' dumping turds everywhere, while middle aged men from yesteryear proclaiming the Blue's back "yah budeee we'll be right we know how to steer a loco maattteee" while they invite their boyz to the roof for a smoko that seems to go on for 45mins every morning... oh but its invite only but everyone is welcome. My fav part was the random 'blips' into meetings she seems to master.... sits on mute. One of the overweight middle aged men "maaatteeeeee" asked for her input and a different female voice replied on her behalf with ''we'll pass it on'' followed by a scurry of obvious typing. Like med students watching in on a surgery from above, madly taking notes.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 19:39
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Originally Posted by didrechambers77 View Post
My posts aren't for scaremongering, but the truth. From someone in the circle, surrounded by loose lips. Here's the songbook for the next 14 weeks. You'll start to receive presso's about how the offer compares with the modern awards. The classic line, you're either on the boat of sailing your own way will be sung by all. As for negotiations, you'll find the costbase is set in stone. Any discussions or trades should be taken lightly, and strategically, you'll only be able to tinker around the edges.
The optimiser and aircrews have been adjusted and tested, its just a matter of pulling the trigger. As for FRMS restrictions, out the window. Most of their 'findings' weren't driven by data, research or by fact, but my committees of committees who were adverse to work and driving other agendas. I recall the white faces when the question was asked "but where's the evidence to support the change that cost $$$$$ in lost productivity"... tap tap tap away the Bain consultants went.

As for the rest, for attracting talent and the business running short.... you'll find attendance rates have dropped to all time lows, with many people going fatigued to attend their other job and multiple abandonment of employment letters have gone out. The old games are shining through again, just in time for the new mob to see. Do you really think adding more crew is the answer to 33% sick leave for weekends? Like pouring water into a bottomless bucket. The answer to that is just around the corner, and you won't realise what's hit you.
Its alright I will bight. Thats what you want. You seem to have some perverse pleasure in providing the information here.

So a CEO that has the money and lifestyle that does not need to be "paid" till July 2021, does not want her staff to have a second job at the moment so they can afford to live. Right.

The same CEO that promotes diversity and teamwork that wants to attack the same frontline staff that meet and greet the passengers, the same passengers that create the income the airline needs to survive. Gotcha.

The same CEO that has signed off the VARA A320 crew to receive $211,000 but now only wants to pay B737 $174,000. Those same B737 crew that release the brakes for OTP and have fuel loaded to meet unexpected contingencies or fly a modified schedule to increase block time or fuel burn as the conditions require on the day.

The same CEO that has to promote herself in the media.

I assume you have taken a pay freeze? Or is that a bonus for every dollar you help screw the wages down of the hard working individuals that are actually the airline.

What a sad indictment to the airline, they have people like yourself on here gloating about how the staff that will lose their marriages, houses, cars and in some cases lives. Thats the white elephant in the room. I am sure you and Miss JH can sleep at night, for each soul lost. Pathetic.
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Old 20th Dec 2020, 21:44
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What rubbish. Sheís a D grade consultant from a run of the mill consulting firm. At J* she was out of her depth. J* Hong Kong, Japan and Vietnam are all steaming piles of excrement. Now almost gone completely. A2 further exposed her lack of talent and highlighted her failures as a leader. Tennis Australia and its scandals cast more light. The solution. More no nothing bright eyed consultants with a shiny MBA and no experience. Done before and failed.
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