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Old 19th Sep 2020, 02:47
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Its kinda funny isn't it? The same people that made the airline so good with so many awards getting shafted?

But we wanna bring back that 'fluff'
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 03:04
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One such perk that is going is a A$125 overnight allowance with most averaging 10 overnights a month.
I was always of the understanding they were a statutory requirement in lieu of a meal whilst away from home, not a 'perk'. It's either a meal, a meal allowance or a per diem allowance.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 03:15
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Generally allowances are given for specific meals depending on the duration and timing of the layover, the $125 may be an additional allowance for incidentals incurred during a nightstop.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 03:18
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I wonder how much training costs are. Having super people in this airline leaving cause they had enough. To retrain crews every 6 months? Instead of just paying the wages they deserve ?? REALLY??
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 04:02
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The CC will eventually be sub-contracted through a third party like Altara. The EBA crew will eventually be reduced through attrition. Its how it works at QF and JQ and given who the Chairperson will be, it will be how it is done at V 3.0.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 08:27
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Relatively speaking, cabin crew training isn’t that costly, especially when compared to flight crew. The training centre with the cabin mock ups and pool is there already or only needs to be hired for a couple of days. A lot of learning can be done online, same with the exams. There isn’t that much more expense in running a course every two months instead of every three months to cope with the turnover.

With the reduced size of the airline and laid off CC returning from the Middle East, it will be a while before recruitment of those without previous experience is needed. When it is, there will be no shortage of 20 somethings applying for their dream job. Whilst Virgin can’t use cheap Eastern European labour like Ryanair can, I doubt they will have trouble filling positions at reduced pay rates.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 08:55
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
lWhilst Virgin canít use cheap Eastern European labour like Ryanair can, I doubt they will have trouble filling positions at reduced pay rates.
When taking cost of living into account in the eastern Oz states, those in Eastern Europe would still have cash left over to spend.

Taking a 20% paycut in Mel or Syd wonít be doable for many unless living with the old folks still, great if as you mentioned are in the 20s, but most are not.

The full time retail wage isnít far off what they want here.

The part time proposal in that article is nothing but slavery. Isnít staff morale connected to good customer metrics which in turn lures big corp contracts vs the competitor.

Back to the old days of 130k for the Right Seat and 200k for the Left? Thatís stock standard pay over the in the states.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 09:13
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Jobkeeper or seeker just about pays the same as those conditions that Section mentioned. Couldn't give a toss attitude will kick in hence safety culture will droop.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 10:20
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Back to the old days of 130k for the Right Seat and 200k for the Left? Thatís stock standard pay over the in the states.
Nope. *filler
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 11:40
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Or, of course, you could all just vote ďnoĒ.

Did anyone think of that?
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 13:12
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Or, of course, you could all just vote ďnoĒ.
What then???

Something that needs to be given consideration for all work groups is where will it go. If you keep voting no then it will end up in arbitration with a judge making the decision for you. Given the climate I am not sure there will be to much sympathy for the staff. The only hope with a court case is there are alot of things in the award that would be unworkable or result in a loss of productivity from current arrangements so that may bring some leverage as the airline would not want some parts of the award forced onto them.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 13:39
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Ultimately pax want low fares, particularly with the financial beating most people have had due to COVID - 19. Ryanair never win any customer service awards yet have one of the highest load factors in the industry due to their cheap tickets. As long as the price is right the pax don't care if the CC smile at them, or if they still have to live at home because they can't afford their own place.

At the moment I'm on about 45% of my normal pay and will be delighted if I'm on 70% in six months time. I consider myself very fortunate to have a job at all. In 2024 we may be able to look at bargaining for better conditions but at the moment we have to suck it up.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 15:14
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Originally Posted by non_state_actor View Post
What then???

Something that needs to be given consideration for all work groups is where will it go. If you keep voting no then it will end up in arbitration with a judge making the decision for you.
Not true.

Do you really think you can be forced into arbitration for voting ďnoĒ?

I suggest you read the rules, or talk to someone who has.

Given the climate I am not sure there will be to much sympathy for the staff.
Even if you do end up in arbitration, which you wonít if your representatives are smart enough, do you think FWA will consider you as worthless as Bain Capital from Boston?

What is about to happen is an enormous bluff. Bain will be the benefactor if you blink, and you will all be punished.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 21:14
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Back to the old days of 130k for the Right Seat and 200k for the Left? Thatís stock standard pay over the in the states.
looks like Jetstar never left the "old days"
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Bain is wasting no time reported in The West Australian asking FA to take cuts to salary from $61,179 to $49,929 increase shift hrs from 9.45 hrs to 12hrs and if you're lucky enough to overnight, you wont be paid for it.

Don't tell Bain about the 2010 air pilots award
Theres no doubt a certain CEO will be sitting back watching all this unfold & just waiting for his time to implement the same conditions to ensure a 'level playing field' as he has said many times.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 22:04
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Certain person already said directly in a town hall that we will be matching what VA comes up with regarding amended EBA.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 22:26
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The Jetstar pay levels is probably where everyone is headed. I donít think that group can take much of a haircut they were already about 20% undercut vs the competition. However Gareth will want to punish the team for the strike action earlier this year also so it could be substantial.

However I would still expect at least 10%. They can get away with that now. Tiger cut 15% of its Pilots pay last decade up in Singas when fuel jumped. Half the Captains left. They wonít have that issue now.

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Old 19th Sep 2020, 22:28
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Yes, at a recent union meeting at Jetstar we were told that we will be expected to be 'competitive' with what ever Bain manages to 'negotiate'. I love it that they say they are going to 'negotiate', more like 'here is the offer, who wants a job and who wants to kiss goodbye to their career'!
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 22:38
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Off thread topic- The working group would surely appreciate any information regarding any negotiating to our pays a good start is a simple email as the silence is deafening, after all we do pay their salaries with our union fees.
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Old 20th Sep 2020, 01:14
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So how do these negotiations over new EAís work when a business comes out of administration?

Given the business has been bought as a going concern do the current EAís not remain in force?

Can the employees just vote No to any EA variation and stay on their current conditions?
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