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Old 18th Sep 2020, 02:56
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When you think about it, it really doesnt matter which end of the pineapple is inserted! Spiny end or the other, I imagine that an ever increasing number of crew will be subject to this treatment.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 04:52
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You will be the victim of some consultant in New York whose eyes will light up when they see the Air Pilots award.

They will ponder in their Manhattan tower why do we pay Pilots 170 grand over here but they pay them 300 over there?
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 05:22
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$1AUS=0.73 US. So that 300=219US and a month ago 190US. I hope the yanks aren't that dumb.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 05:27
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On the subject of those B737-800's that were ferried out by Jet Test, why would they file a flight plan BNE-HNL direct knowing a B737-800 does not have the range ? And if anyone says these guys rested on a business jet, get real. These 737's are multi million $$ assets that belong to a lease company or bank, not some 2nd hand Ford being repo'd by a finance company down the high street. 10 pilots and a mechanic (and was Channel 7 on it too) cannot, on a 9hr+ leg from HNL to BNE, get any decent rest on a Falcon 7X or whatever it was.

Begs the question why ex Virgin crew could not have flown these out to USA. 2-REG would issue a licence validation (no intervention from Oz CAA required) and they can enter USA without quarantine. Take a commercial or biz jet home to Oz and quarantine for 14 days (at home). Much safer and less of a risk option IMHO.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 05:30
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You will be the victim of some consultant in New York whose eyes will light up when they see the Air Pilots award.
Has he read the fine print?

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Old 18th Sep 2020, 05:47
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Originally Posted by VIKING9 View Post
On the subject of those B737-800's that were ferried out by Jet Test, why would they file a flight plan BNE-HNL direct knowing a B737-800 does not have the range ? And if anyone says these guys rested on a business jet, get real. These 737's are multi million $$ assets that belong to a lease company or bank, not some 2nd hand Ford being repo'd by a finance company down the high street. 10 pilots and a mechanic (and was Channel 7 on it too) cannot, on a 9hr+ leg from HNL to BNE, get any decent rest on a Falcon 7X or whatever it was.

Begs the question why ex Virgin crew could not have flown these out to USA. 2-REG would issue a licence validation (no intervention from Oz CAA required) and they can enter USA without quarantine. Take a commercial or biz jet home to Oz and quarantine for 14 days (at home). Much safer and less of a risk option IMHO.
They would have taken full tanks out of BNE and if Honiara was out they probably divert to NWWW or NFFN. Then refile a new flight plan.
I reckon at TOPC one pilot would go back to 1A and take a 2 hour nap while the other flies single pilot. They would alternate until TOPD.

Their website says a bit more
https://www.jettest.aero/worldwide-aircraft-ferry

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Old 18th Sep 2020, 06:05
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Full tanks or not, HNL would never be reached so why file to HNL ?

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Old 18th Sep 2020, 06:40
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Originally Posted by VIKING9 View Post
Full tanks or not, HNL would never be reached so why file to HNL ?
In see your point it's just the way they operate their own SOPs. Just file and go. Their objective is to get to HNL.
Accordingly the operation did take a lot of flight planning prior at head office. I reckon Honiara was informed their coming.
Maybe it's cheaper filing to HNL direct. Don't know.
A ferry pilot could answer this.
How much time did they have on the ground in BNE once they jumped off the Falcon to start taxiing the 73?
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 07:12
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repossession - redelivery - lease return


From their website.
Love the word Hostile, this mob could make a doco a little bit of cash on the side.

Jettest'sAsset Recovery Team (ART) is a unique product that integrates our world-class Flight-Ops services with the most experienced On-Site Technical team, and a network of support resources aligned to efficiently and effectively take back possession of commercial aircraft. Hostile or amicable repossessions or routine end-of-lease returns; we're equipped to tackle the most challenging situations. The Asset Recovery Team can jump right into a project regardless of what stage the project is at; however the earlier in the process, the better.

​After coordination with your company's legal counsel on the contractual details, the ART will coordinate an action plan to begin the process of recovering andrepositioning your aircraft to anywhere in the world you choose. Our highly experienced onsite technical representative will travel to the asset's location and begin to audit and prepare the aircraft and records for return. If needed, we can coordinate and manage maintenance action at an MRO, and any registration-related actions that need to take place. Our planning and flight support team will the begin to coordinate departure permits and required permissions as well as customs (import/export) matters. If the aircraft will need to move into temporary storage, we can provide recommendations and coordination with any of our partner storage facilities worldwide.

​We are ready for virtually any situation and experienced and capable with incorporating any of the following services:


  • Operations on a wide variety of international registrations through licensureor validation: FAA (NREG), 2-REG, BCAA/Bermuda (VP/VQ), Isle of Man, Chile (CC), Brazil (PR), Canada (C), Indonesia (PK), EASA REG, UK (G), Australia(VH), New Zealand (ZK), and approximately 30 other registrations through validation (inquire about availability)
  • Transition of aircraft to transient or follow-on lessee registration
  • Records Audit
  • Aircraft Inspection
  • Borescope Coordination and Observation
  • Lease Return and Delivery OnSite Rep
  • Aircraft Structure Inspections
  • Repossession/Recovery
  • Test/Demo flight operations and observers
  • Issuance of SFP
  • CAMO Services
  • Overflight validation of SFP/SFA
  • Valid CofA LODA Operations
  • NAT/HLA, RVSM, CPDLC/ADS-C Operations
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 07:53
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In see your point it's just the way they operate their own SOPs. Just file and go.

Mickey mouse then. File and go and hope for the best......
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 08:12
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Ferry companies are very good at what they do. (I have done a couple)

They would have had engineering on the ground for a good period of time prior to the flight to sort out the paperwork transfer to a “friendly” rego, you often have an engineer go along for the ride too, sometimes they can make a good cuppa.

Pilots would have been contacted and placed on ready alert 5 to go when everything looked like it was going to be ready. Validations are issued on their Licence.

the flight planning is either contracted to Universal/Jeppesen or done in house, and it is very basic.

tanks are nearly always filled to allow for options. The a/c is always light so you can get above the traffic and go dct, or stay low and go fast. No company speed limits, no FOQA.

it is “private” flying. Just get in and go. SOP’s are OEM or personal choice. Ie, whatever you are used to.

Generally 8 hours stick per day, stopovers are short, generally airport hotels and quick connections once the a/c is handed over to the MRO at the destination.

It is either older semi retired types, or guys on days off from their regular airline gig. I once met a crew in BKK that flew a 737 in, and an A320 out the next day. They keep their ratings current in the sim ready for this sort of work.

They paid US$1000 a day back in 2010, and they always paid actual days +1 (not sure what the going rate is now)

it’s not a job for someone that needs to tick every box in the FCOM/ Ops manual, more suited to a “Mission focused” type.

it’s a busy life when times are good, and busy when times are bad.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 08:32
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Roj - despite being private, you do not just "get in and go". Rules of countries apply even to private aircraft but maybe you are implying Jet Test break the rules and literally do just "get in and go".

And where do you get the idea from that flight planning "is very basic" ?

The 737's in question are registered to 2-REG and I'm sure they would love to see you in charge of an aircraft registered with them. Not.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 09:31
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Hi Viking9,

The point I was trying to make is, it is not “airline ops”.

These companies do this a lot, all different types, they have the personnel that gets the job done for the customer.

Maybe you are a ferry pilot and have a more intimate knowledge of the current operation than my 10 year old experience?

I really enjoyed the work, had a lot of fun, stayed within the bounds of the FCOM, but it was nice not to have the shackles of “Airline ops”.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
In see your point it's just the way they operate their own SOPs. Just file and go. Their objective is to get to HNL.
Accordingly the operation did take a lot of flight planning prior at head office. I reckon Honiara was informed their coming.
Maybe it's cheaper filing to HNL direct. Don't know.
A ferry pilot could answer this.
How much time did they have on the ground in BNE once they jumped off the Falcon to start taxiing the 73?
At Henderson Field/HIR- You 'DO' need to ensure/quantify, THAT the Fuel Is 'There' and Available for Up-Lift !!!!!

Particularly, for 5x in one HIT- gotta be a 'prior' done-deal..... both, on Volume and Timing.

'PHNL' in 1x go (in that part of the World)- was never ON, in my limited experience....???

rgds all/be well
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 10:35
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‘YOU’ -don’t think you/COULD Just rock......up ‘there’ un-announced (and) ‘get’ $fuel$ for 5x 73///7s?
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 10:40
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NO

But, you Could- apparently..... 'Busted'

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Old 18th Sep 2020, 11:31
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Someone really needs to write an app to translate Section28's posts into English. My head hurts.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 12:08
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
Someone really needs to write an app to translate Section28's posts into English. My head hurts.
Jayne & Co are 'On' it..............., do-not fret !!!!

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Old 18th Sep 2020, 15:29
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The JTT guys are one of the most experienced outfits out there. Some of their guys have crossed every ocean more times than I have had hot dinners. They know what they are doing.

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ex AirlineRatings: Virgin Australia cabin crew salary and conditions being slashed...

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Bain is wasting no time reported in The West Australian asking FA to take cuts to salary from $61,179 to $49,929 increase shift hrs from 9.45 hrs to 12hrs and if you're lucky enough to overnight, you wont be paid for it.

Don't tell Bain about the 2010 air pilots award
Article republished at AirlineRatings: https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...tions-slashed/

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Virgin Australia cabin crew salary and conditions being slashed

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Virgin Australia flight attendants are being asked to take significant cuts in pay and conditions by Bain Capital to ensure the survival of the airline.

Insiders claim a flight attendant’s base salary is being slashed from A$61,179 to A$49,929 with new starters at just A$45,526, while shifts are moving from 9.45 hrs to 12 hrs to allow for transcontinental returns eliminating high overnight accommodation costs.

Other perks are being trimmed or eliminated as Bain, which purchased the airline out of administration for A$3.50 billion, cuts costs to survive in the new COVID-19 world.

SEE: AirlineRatings.com discusses 737 MAX report.

One such perk that is going is a A$125 overnight allowance with most averaging 10 overnights a month.

Part-time flight attendants appear to be particularly targeted it is alleged.

Insiders say the new agreement would see them effectively go from being paid around A$40,000 a year for 70 hours a month to working up to 135 hours per 28 days for the same salary, which equates to about A$24,000 year or about A$25 an hour.

The cuts have upset flight attendants with over half commenting on a staff Facebook page that they would have taken voluntary redundancy if they had known of the severity of the cuts.

The new Enterprise Agreement is to be settled by October 31.

Pilots at the Perth-based Virgin Australia Regional Airlines are also being targeted with Bain striving to get the pay and conditions in line with its competitors in the very competitive FIFO market.

A Virgin Australia spokesperson said: “The Virgin Australia Group has commenced negotiations with team members and unions for a number of Enterprise Agreements which have now expired and are due to be renegotiated.

“The changes we are seeking will shape a future for our airline that is sustainable for the long term and will mean we can save more jobs. The COVID-19 pandemic has decimated our industry and the impacts are expected to last for a number of years, and this makes the need for change even greater.

“Labour is one of our biggest costs as an airline, and we are targeting all areas of our business to reset our cost base and get the certainty we need to be able to plan for our future flying schedule when demand returns.

“We look forward to continuing to work constructively with the unions to determine the best outcome for our team members and the business.”
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