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Old 17th Sep 2020, 02:52
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Is it a paid commercial operation or are the crews doing for free?
Paying the pilot doesn't constitute commercial operations it's to do with revenue generated from the flight itself.
So an Australian crew could have flown straight to the US mainland parked the aircraft and jumped into a private jet home.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 03:14
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https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/sc...015345560.html

The 'hype' is starting to 'hit' !
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 03:25
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 03:49
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They were American crews that conducted the ferry flights, and they overnighted in HNL after landing from Van Nuys.

I donít see any reason why Virgin crews would be conducting these flights. Less red tape, the guys over the pacific can get this stuff done at short notice without all the associated BS that comes with being a pilot on this land.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 03:54
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Originally Posted by Checklist Charlie View Post
Interesting to note the ferry crews passengered (deadheadeaded) LAX/BNE, say 13 hours duty and then immediately strapped on a 737 and operated BNE/HIR/HNL for perhaps another 13 hours duty.

Makes our CAO48 look abit sick I think.

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Not quite CC.

They started in HNL, went HNL-BNE on a Falcon 7X that was ferrying, (so they purchased the dead leg) then "strapped on a 737" to op BNE-HIR (3hrs), then HIR-HNL (6.5hrs).

Still a long duty, but not as long as you stated above. They also would have been nice and fresh getting into Brisbane, having just arrived on a luxury private jet.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:05
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Have it your way but I still think their activities make our 48 look sick.

There has to be a limit one can endure with flight and duty times, not just statutory but personal/physical limits. Poncing around in a "luxury private jet" crossing multiple timezones and getting any or questionable quality rest is not necessarily wise or viable.

Then to set off across the Pacific in an aircraft you have just seen for the 1st time. Off across more timezones and was it an augmented crew or just the 2 of them up front?

I hope they got lots of dollars.

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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:18
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Originally Posted by Checklist Charlie View Post
Have it your way but I still think their activities make our 48 look sick.

There has to be a limit one can endure with flight and duty times, not just statutory but personal/physical limits. Poncing around in a "luxury private jet" crossing multiple timezones and getting any or questionable quality rest is not necessarily wise or viable.

Then to set off across the Pacific in an aircraft you have just seen for the 1st time. Off across more timezones and was it an augmented crew or just the 2 of them up front?

I hope they got lots of dollars.

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I bet they are in the money. From the vid he said their off to India next to pick up more 73s to fly them to Goodyear.
They would have multiple jet endorsements as well.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:33
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Have it your way but I still think their activities make our 48 look sick.
Correct me if I’ve got the wrong end of the stick, but what does CAO48 have to do with flying a non VH registered aircraft?
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:36
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Originally Posted by brokenagain View Post
Correct me if Iíve got the wrong end of the stick, but what does CAO48 have to do with flying a non VH registered aircraft?

Nothing actually....some people on here seem to believe that the Australian way is the only way....millions of other would disagree..
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:53
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From the photo the bloke posted on twitter before deleting it all, the Falcon didnít look particularly luxurious stacked with 11 people in the back.

Looked like they were just been doing it for fun (and obviously some dollars). FTLs be damned
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 06:01
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The sooner you get home, the sooner you can go do the next job.

Parked next to a N registered Gulfstream last year, these uys had come out of Van Nuys, HNL for tech stop then onto Sydney - two company pilots plus a contract pilot for this particular trip.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 06:01
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Then to set off across the Pacific in an aircraft you have just seen for the 1st time.
i have met Steve, 16 months ago when he ferried an aircraft to the USA for the company I was working for. Really nice guy, very professional and fit. I would think he spends a bit of time in the gym between work assignments. His experience across Boeingís, Airbus is extensive, certainly other manufacturers as well.

it was good to see him again on the tv. I wish him well. A really nice guy who loves flying.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 06:40
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Whatever "rules" they're applying seem very generous .

I was comparing the apparent limitless DUTY times demonstrated by these ferries compared to the limitations of our CAsR48, I then noted 48 looks very sick in comparison.

I can't help it if you read something else or other into it. I'm not aware of your agendas, bias' or idiosyncrasies.

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Old 17th Sep 2020, 07:12
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From the video: "Federal police enforced a Covid bubble..." = Channel 7 reporter/ cameraman standing at a fence talking to somebody without a mask a metre away that just came from a country with 2.5 million active cases.
Good job guys.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 07:31
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I was comparing the apparent limitless DUTY times demonstrated by these ferries compared to the limitations of our CAsR48, I then noted 48 looks very sick in comparison.
Like these pilots, I think you'll find that some of 'our' corporate pilots operating private corporate aircraft operate to very different limits to airline crew.
Their policies and procedures aren't based on what's suitable in an RPT aircraft both in-flight and in between trips/sectors, including crew rest and transit requirements.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 09:23
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Originally Posted by brokenagain View Post
Correct me if I’ve got the wrong end of the stick, but what does CAO48 have to do with flying a non VH registered aircraft?
Not, 1x thing, do 'You'- have wrong.....!!

Rgds all/be well
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 11:49
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Ferry flying is all private op's,, no CAO48 applies anyhow.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 12:04
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On vhtae last photo, I think that's a CV880 in the background.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 01:27
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Bain is wasting no time reported in The West Australian asking FA to take cuts to salary from $61,179 to $49,929 increase shift hrs from 9.45 hrs to 12hrs and if you're lucky enough to overnight, you wont be paid for it.

Don't tell Bain about the 2010 air pilots award
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 01:58
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Don't tell Bain about the 2010 air pilots award
Itís been flagged on this forum that the award wage is what will be offered to pilots, perhaps with just enough cream on top.
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