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Old 18th Oct 2020, 05:53
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
I know that however what weapons do the unions have to enforce a positive outcome when they don't have funds to contribute - only words and threats. No government will buy into this.
If true TBM, and Iím not saying it isnít, then a no vote is exactly what the employee groups should do. Without Government interference the only option for the parties would be a ďgood faithĒ negotiation. Typically these things can take 1-2 years in a normal world. With the shit sandwich Bain are trying to dish up, who knows? Any threats of take it or liquidate will cost Bain significant currency, both with FWA and creditors. After all the plan has always been to save Virgin, wasnít it?

In the meantime the remaining employees will simply be covered by their existing agreements, expired or otherwise. Not too bad under the circumstances.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 06:23
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
What most believe? Really.

Why would they spend a couple of billion dollars to liquidate it for a few hundred million?
Read back Icarus2001, the dooms day cult on here think exactly that. I was calling bullshit on the idea. Liquidation is a quick way to lose a bunch of money.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 06:44
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Interesting when the new salary is still around 20% better than JQ .
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 07:00
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin View Post
Interesting when the new salary is still around 20% better than JQ .
You sure about that Scooter?

Iíve heard $179k per year for 1000hrs. No Drafts (day off payments), days off down route and other conditions lost.

Doesnít sound real good.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Roj approved View Post
You sure about that Scooter?Iíve heard $179k per year for 1000hrs. No Drafts (day off payments), days off down route and other conditions lost.Doesnít sound real good.
With no disrespect, itís sounds bloody brilliant to the VA, JQ and QF Drivers out of work. The tinpot operators are getting inundated with applications due to the high rate of unemployed Drivers. COVID has changed the world
for many many decades to come. There will be a fight for jobs anywhere for some time to come but the ĎCíLevel parasites of the business world will certainly be taking advantage of that.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 09:21
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
With no disrespect, it’s sounds bloody brilliant to the VA, JQ and QF Drivers out of work
Yeah, but it IS with disrespect. Those guys are equally appalled at the rape these kind of unimaginative corporate MBA pricks are doing to everybody in the industry around the world.


If you are retired as you say, why do you spank on here and $hit on everybody post after post, feigning 'honesty'.

What's your pay off??

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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:30
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Originally Posted by On Guard View Post
Branson was getting 15mil/yr. Read it somewhere reliable, afr?
Yes- correct.

rgds all
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Roj approved View Post
You sure about that Scooter?

Iíve heard $179k per year for 1000hrs. No Drafts (day off payments), days off down route and other conditions lost.

Doesnít sound real good.
Why would anyone work a day off if you donít get any money for it? Seems a bit silly.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 11:18
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Originally Posted by Roj approved View Post
You sure about that Scooter?

Iíve heard $179k per year for 1000hrs. No Drafts (day off payments), days off down route and other conditions lost.

Doesnít sound real good.
wrong. Itís a piece of shit but if you do 1000 and take 6 weeks leave youíd gross just over $280K
And end up in an early grave
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Oriana View Post
Yeah, but it IS with disrespect. Those guys are equally appalled at the rape these kind of unimaginative corporate MBA pricks are doing to everybody in the industry around the world.
If you are retired as you say, why do you spank on here and $hit on everybody post after post, feigning 'honesty'.
What's your pay off??
You need to take a chill pill. Iím not shi#ting on anybody and Iím not feigning sympathy. Iíve made it clear I disagree with what the parasite management and Banksters have and are doing to the pilots. Christ, if you think that means Iím shi#ting on the pilot group then you are delusional old mate.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
You need to take a chill pill. Iím not shi#ting on anybody and Iím not feigning sympathy. Iíve made it clear I disagree with what the parasite management and Banksters have and are doing to the pilots. Christ, if you think that means Iím shi#ting on the pilot group then you are delusional old mate.
WOW.

Just look at everybody on here going for it!

Tough times for everyone hey.

Let's not take it out on each other!

It's not only pointless, but doesn't achieve anything.

Personally, I don't agree with some things said on here and the way its said, but.. It is an open forum!!

You need tough skin to survive this industry these days!! I suggest if some folk cant handle it, best stop looking into PPRuNe for answers.

As for Para and your other alias(s), its probably time you reconsider the way you try to deliver information. Not pointing fingers, but their are others too that could do with that advice for the better of what is potentially the most decimating of Terms and Conditions this industry has every seen.

Thats all
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 12:47
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1000 hours a year is a pipe dream. That is years away.

I know many that will need to continue the casual jobs on the side in order to maintain some form of income.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 13:33
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I still think vote no. Let management sweat this shit out. They are rallying on pilots being weak to secure security. And IF they have a plan B to use workers elsewhere, the train will have left the station, and QF and Rex and even Alliance will fill the void. Bain are a bunch of.....
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 21:54
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Bain are relying on the workers (by drastically cutting pay for front end staff) to make the airline profitable. They have put the pressure on the staff to make the company money instead of being good airline management, savvy and suitable to make an airline operate safely and profitably.

JH will surround herself with the same sycophants as before and run the company further into the ground whilst ripping every dollar out as "fees"

She has already made millions as a consultant through the whole sordid mess of voluntary administration. But we all know this.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 23:50
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Originally Posted by Servo View Post
Bain are relying on the workers (by drastically cutting pay for front end staff) to make the airline profitable. They have put the pressure on the staff to make the company money instead of being good airline management, savvy and suitable to make an airline operate safely and profitably.
Since when has pilot salary been so critical? Last year we could have been flying for free and it wouldn't have made a difference.
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 00:00
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Sad thing is, no doubt the usual culprits will be telling all and sundry how good the deal is while seeing it as an opportunity to climb that greasy poll at the expense of everyone else. It was disgusting watching it before Bain arrived it will be even more so now..
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 01:08
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Originally Posted by Blackout View Post
WOW.

Just look at everybody on here going for it!
Tough times for everyone hey.
Let's not take it out on each other!
It's not only pointless, but doesn't achieve anything.
Personally, I don't agree with some things said on here and the way its said, but.. It is an open forum!!
You need tough skin to survive this industry these days!! I suggest if some folk cant handle it, best stop looking into PPRuNe for answers.
As for Para and your other alias(s), its probably time you reconsider the way you try to deliver information. Not pointing fingers, but their are others too that could do with that advice for the better of what is potentially the most decimating of Terms and Conditions this industry has every seen.
Thats all
Iím happy to listen to sound reasoning mate. I donít disagree with any of your comment other than this bit Ďyour other alias(s)í. I donít have any other ones mate and I donít need any. I say it the way I see it. Whenever I get banned I sit it out and come back when let out of jail. Donít use any other handles.
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 01:29
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Originally Posted by Roj approved View Post
You sure about that Scooter?

Iíve heard $179k per year for 1000hrs. No Drafts (day off payments), days off down route and other conditions lost.

Doesnít sound real good.
Scooter is correct. Captains would earn $260k for 1000 hours based on the proposal I saw on Friday.
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 02:10
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Be realistic.

How much for a "normal" years flying, say 850 hours or 900 hours or ,,,,?

1000 hours unrealistic.
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 02:28
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There wont be 1000 hours per year, unless you actively try and get it. Then under the proposal once you hit that you would get leave without pay. (original) Now it has been changed to disabling the system so you cant get to 1000. It is a mess and a piecemeal hodgepodge of work rules/conditions being used to destroy wages and conditions under the guise of productivity and profit.
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