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A320 Temporary Freighter

Old 29th Aug 2020, 01:33
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A320 Temporary Freighter

Great innovation from Scooter. Considering the freight demand across this country itís a no brainer for the Star. Good for maintaining some form of crew currency when passenger operations pickup.









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Old 29th Aug 2020, 09:18
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There's no particular shortage of domestic freight capacity at the moment.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 12:01
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Why do they need a hostie for freight?
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 12:10
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Why do they need a hostie for freight?
Because there is no smoke detection or fire fighting system in the cabin. Toilet doors open help with the smoke detention, but it is better to have a crew member walk up and down the cabin checking.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 12:20
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Because there is no smoke detection or fire fighting system in the cabin. Toilet doors open help with the smoke detention, but it is better to have a crew member walk up and down the cabin checking.
Fair enough, that makes sense
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Why do they need a hostie for freight?
Because coffee doesn’t make itself.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 13:39
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Because coffee doesn’t make itself
I thought that the Flight Engineer did that
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 14:38
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I thought that the Flight Engineer did that
Naw, Nav.
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Old 29th Aug 2020, 22:44
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Because there is no smoke detection or fire fighting system in the cabin. Toilet doors open help with the smoke detention, but it is better to have a crew member walk up and down the cabin checking.
OK. But why is she indicating the location of the emergency exits to the cargo? Will she run a cargo safety brief and demonstration as they taxi out? 😜
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 00:59
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That must be rather labour intensive to load and unload.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 01:11
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Old news - this has been going on for months with various aircraft:
Using 737 Passenger Aircraft for Cargo.

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That must be rather labour intensive to load and unload.
Yep - even with seats removed everything has to go through the loading door, so loaded pallets are out.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 01:26
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There is probably no shortage of available manpower to do the loading/unloading though...

Belt loader up to the doorway, human chain passing the boxes along.

probably not as difficult as many imagine.
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 02:26
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That must be rather labour intensive to load and unload.
takes only two hours to load our 787-9 with 27,000kg of masks. The Chinese have it organised
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Old 30th Aug 2020, 06:43
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What it is is impressive, shows a proactive company. Out there chasing work, I would imagine it will get lots of work from SQ cargo. Why this could not done at the height of the pandemic when demand was huge is a mystery.

Hand loading in SE Asia is certainly no problem. I could see it causing issues in the western world.

Good luck to em! Saw the QF 321P2F the other day.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 01:31
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Done by the book it requires considerable paperwork and effort to arrange along with all the correct STC’s from Airbus and Boeing.
Quite a few didn’t bother with all that effort and did it anyway.....
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 03:57
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Yes, why let an innovative idea get in the way of productive paperwork.
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Originally Posted by Buttscratcher View Post
Yes, why let an innovative idea get in the way of productive paperwork.

ummmm Insurance.....
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 15:16
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We used to ship 20 tonnes of beef every week from Belfast to Cairo in a 707. No freight door, boxed beef on pallets raised to door level on a hilo and then carried in. Also did it with cigarettes which volumed out so we had them in the loos and overhead bins too.
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Old 31st Aug 2020, 22:44
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A few years ago a US cargo carrier with DC9s (ABX I think) had a fleet of cargo aircraft with no cargo doors. The developed containers that fitted through pax doors.

Clearly a bit more developed and permanent than the A320 here but an interesting possibility medium term with only floor engineering to install rather than the full cut and shut.

Is the QF A321F in Australia yet.?

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Old 1st Sep 2020, 00:47
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Wunwing, Yes it was ABX (Airborne express) with their DC9's. I was one of their certifying engineers in Vancouver Canada. Their containers were the size of door L1 opening and they had a 4" thick solid piece of teflon on the base. You just pushed them around like blocks of ice. Simple trick, well done to the guy who thought of that. At the time in those days, they were buying up used 767's at a great rate, for every 767 they brought and fitted a cargo door to, they had to decommission one DC9 or DC8.
But then DHL pulled out of the deal and I'm not sure what happened to ABX.
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