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Old 26th Aug 2020, 10:27
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Devonport will be lucky to see Qlink flights again, if so it will be a middle of the day flight Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Launceston it will be a middle of the day flight five times a week.

Mildura and Canberra much reduced service.

The B717’s will do Hobart Melbourne and Hobart Sydney on a limited scale.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 11:06
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So when does this happen?

The Cobham engineers in Perth were looking at an 18 month to 2 year transition away from B717 maintenance support - guess it's going to be a lot quicker than that now.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 22:01
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Does this spell end of the Hobart 717 base and 'mainline' mainline doing the HB flights with the 73?
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 22:41
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Does this spell end of the Hobart 717 base and 'mainline' mainline doing the HB flights with the 73?
Why? There will be 5 bases on the East coast. BNE, SYD, CBR, MEL and HBA.

I'm guessing the opposite. More 717's all up and down the coast.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 22:50
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Why? There will be 5 bases on the East coast. BNE, SYD, CBR, MEL and HBA.

I'm guessing the opposite. More 717's all up and down the coast.
I would agree 100%,wouldnt be surprised to see some older 738s parked long term or disposed of.
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Old 27th Aug 2020, 00:47
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Eroding pay and conditions through fragmentation of AOC’s has been Qantas’ plan for years, it gives the public the illusion of Qantas without the cost base.
Divide and conquer no doubt reigns true, but I wouldn't call it a public illusion of Qantas because all of these fleets and AOCs are Qantas now.
The only real difference is the employee EBAs and lets be honest, other than us nobody cares and it makes no difference to a passenger which EBA you are on.

With the exception of the 320 flying I think it's a even a stretch to say there is a resulting erosion to mainline T&Cs as comparing a 180 seat 737 to a Dash, F100, or 717 is hardly comparing apples to apples.

I dont agree with plenty of what I see in the industry, but right size right route is hard to argue against.
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Old 27th Aug 2020, 10:09
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
Change in establishment numbers as per what just happened up North.

I suggest everyone reads the EBA, in particular the Seniority clause.

There'll be a few rude shocks in store if you don't know your EBA.
Is there going to be a change in establishment numbers across EAA though? Maybe a couple less spots in Vic, but extra in Syd. Balances out though, or close enough for the company to accept a small short term surplus/defect which is easily managed
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Old 27th Aug 2020, 10:11
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I feel like this thread could be merged with the QLK Network Changes thread?
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 06:09
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
Change in establishment numbers as per what just happened up North.

I suggest everyone reads the EBA, in particular the Seniority clause.

There'll be a few rude shocks in store if you don't know your EBA.
except it sounds like the union is trying to insulate the sydney pilots from any downside and do over the melbourne and mildura staff

odd that the eastern committee are making moves for a different process to what the sunstate committee were just ok with
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 07:42
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Originally Posted by hillbillybob View Post
except it sounds like the union is trying to insulate the sydney pilots from any downside and do over the melbourne and mildura staff

odd that the eastern committee are making moves for a different process to what the Sunstate committee were just ok with
Not sure what you mean by "just ok with" ? I'm also not sure how else Eastern intend to do it?

It was the same process that occurred years earlier when the Q300 base in CNS was closed, a change in establishment numbers.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 08:13
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By just ok with it. I meant it just happened and there was seemingly no pushback so it looked like the union was ok with it.

hopefully clarity will come soon.

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Old 28th Aug 2020, 09:10
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Originally Posted by hillbillybob View Post
odd that the eastern committee are making moves for a different process to what the sunstate committee were just ok with
By "a different process" I presume you're talking about eastern suggesting this should be handled the same way all other vacancies/network changes have been handled in the past?

Just because sunstate let the company spill-and-fill for the first time ever, all without even consulting the pilot body, doesn't mean it's the best way for these eastern changes to be done
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 09:31
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Just because sunstate let the company spill-and-fill for the first time ever, all without even consulting the pilot body, doesn't mean it's the best way for these eastern changes to be done



second that
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 09:40
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Originally Posted by tictac123 View Post
By "a different process" I presume you're talking about eastern suggesting this should be handled the same way all other vacancies/network changes have been handled in the past?

Just because sunstate let the company spill-and-fill for the first time ever, all without even consulting the pilot body, doesn't mean it's the best way for these eastern changes to be done
Not the first time actually.

It'll be interesting to see how Eastern manage their reshuffle and what the establishment numbers in the bases are compared to current numbers.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
Not the first time actually.

It'll be interesting to see how Eastern manage their reshuffle and what the establishment numbers in the bases are compared to current numbers.
When was the last time all positions were declared vacant and then refilled based on seniority and bidding? Genuine question. The guidance so far is that it had never been done before
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 11:18
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Cairns base around 5 years ago when the Q300 base was closed and the ADL pilot base was opened.

Fair chance few in Eastern would remember it. The reason the pilot council was for the most part “ok with it” is because the same process happened back then. A total fleet/base/rank vacancy was published and everyone had to bid again.

Close to 95% Of the crew stayed in their previous position and a few moved to ADL to stay in the left seat. A few went back to the right seat to stay in their original base.

The big difference this time is that there is no new base to absorb the surplus so we’re all going to have to get used to stand down every now and again for the near future.

Compared to what other pilot groups are facing at the moment, it’s the “least shit” scenario that keeps everyone in a job.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 13:00
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
Cairns base around 5 years ago when the Q300 base was closed and the ADL pilot base was opened.

Fair chance few in Eastern would remember it. The reason the pilot council was for the most part “ok with it” is because the same process happened back then. A total fleet/base/rank vacancy was published and everyone had to bid again.

Close to 95% Of the crew stayed in their previous position and a few moved to ADL to stay in the left seat. A few went back to the right seat to stay in their original base.

The big difference this time is that there is no new base to absorb the surplus so we’re all going to have to get used to stand down every now and again for the near future.

Compared to what other pilot groups are facing at the moment, it’s the “least shit” scenario that keeps everyone in a job.
Interesting. It sounds like sunstate is now stuck in a perpetual cycle of spill-and-fill any time there's network changes. I'm not sure eastern needs to go down that same path.
And the advice is the eastern basing numbers are still being finalised, but no change to total establishment
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 13:20
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These locusts known as the renovated DC-9 tend to move around the country destroying the routes they inhabit. When in gods name will they just disappear, they are pathetic. I mean a turbo-charged Baron would have more on time efficiency than these broken LG washing machine jets...
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 13:36
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These locusts known as the renovated DC-9 tend to move around the country destroying the routes they inhabit. When in gods name will they just disappear, they are pathetic. I mean a turbo-charged Baron would have more on time efficiency than these broken LG washing machine jets...
Having been whinging about them for years on these forums have you taken any of your issues up with Qantas, or is it just a personal issue with the operation that you can't let go of?

Plenty of good people there also facing significant change.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 21:13
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Having been whinging about them for years on these forums have you taken any of your issues up with Qantas, or is it just a personal issue with the operation that you can't let go of?

Plenty of good people there also facing significant change.
Yes there are plenty of good people about to get a change forced upon them.
Dont think you can dispute the reliability of these unloved old workhorses though,pretty sure last time they operated out of melbourne on a regular basis the dispetch reliability was often less than 50%.
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